As far as I know, the law overrules the PL wish list.
Clubs could agree to it but you'd still need new contracts (the legally binding document).
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Clubs could agree to it but you'd still need new contracts (the legally binding document).
There's not just two possibilities.
It's not "vote our way or you're relegated Villa".
Would you hand on heart have the same view if you were in the relegation zone?
What are the other possibilities then?
Finish with the current table or finish behind closed doors are the only options I can see being discussed?
As I mentioned before the neutral venues thing works both ways. Villa were due to go to Anfield but will now play Liverpool on a neutral ground when Liverpool will probably have nothing to play for.
It is clear that you want it to keep going so Liverpool can win the league. Don't worry, you are going to win it or been given it. And that is okey for me. Either way, this is not about your team. There are lots of teams in Premier League and divisions under. To keep going just so season can finish in this time is just greedy. Cancel this season, give Liveprool title. Start planing next season and what to do with standings for this season in every league.
That's one more thing to fix before we even start. The pile of problems are just getting bigger and bigger and TheFA still somehow don't accept that. There must be red line when all this must end. I think we passed it long time ago.
People need to get a grip. It’s games at neutral stadiums and max 5 subs. Whilst I do not like either, particular the latter one (which I do not think will matter anyway) it not like playing with your opposite foot or 7 a side. It’s the same for everyone so people either need to accept the unprecedented situation we are in or just suspend or cancel the season until 2021.
everyone going to have a gripe whatever happens for now and it’s all about risk management and reasonableness here.
Anyway my two cents.
everyone going to have a gripe whatever happens for now and it’s all about risk management and reasonableness here.
Anyway my two cents.
West ham pulled the plug on it months ago from their POV as wellSo that's three of the relegation battlers who have opposed playing the remaining matches in neutral venues:
You'd have to imagine that at least a couple more from the bottom of the table are going to oppose; and they'll probably be joined by a handful in midtable or at the top.
Then we're done. No more Premier League 2019/20.
I hope the league gets abandoned. I'm not being biased in any way when I say that.
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What Holland have done. Just stop the league dead, no promotion or relegation.
Thats looking like the only solution i think.
They wont relegate teams if the league isnt completed and they can only complete the league if everyone agrees
I rather suspend it. Who says we can start new season in August?
I think its liverpool fans who need to accept the unprecedented situation.
If they league cant continue and you dont get your title its awful bad luck, because you deserve it, but football isnt the driving force here.
No one has said that. Next season could be hit massively as well.
They could play at neutral venues and play each team once if its a shortened season from say January. At least everyone will be on a level playing field.
If contacts weren't an issue or UEFAs deadline, the best solution would be to just put a pin in it and pick it up again in nov or jan or next april or whenever, but unfortunately we can't
Nah, not an option if it makes the scousers cry.
except playing at neutral stadiums is not the same for everyone when you have already travelled to the oppositions ground earlier this season and now have to play them at a neutral venue. That’s pretty much the main sticking point with it.
This was my preferred option, but it won't happen now. The Champions League is due to resume in August also.
It seems like a deadline of July the 31st has been set to finish this season.
I'd have agreed with you a few weeks back, but with statements coming out about punishing clubs who dont vote the right way and having a shorter match etc just screams of the FA trying to do anything to get things sorted, and if they cant they'll finish it on PPG.
I hope they don't but I can see it heading that way - I've always wanted to use the word sisyphean, and it describes this scenario perfectly.
Perfectly in line with expectations, I would imagine.
This is the same for everyone though? Anyway, I never said I was a fan of neutral stadium (I would much rather have the games home/away as intended behind closedoors), just that if this is the only acceptable option to continue the season then everyone needs to accept the facts that the alternative could mean relegation for some teams and accepting the positions based on 28/29 games played.
I would be saying this regardless what team sits on top without any rose tinted glasses.
Clearly everyone think the Holland model is the perfect model here, but I accept I am on a Man Utd forum here.
speak tomorrow my daily limit has been reached.
stay safe all
Who says they can't?
No one knows, what we now do know is that this season won't be dragged on for months and months. It will finish in June/July or it will be ''curtailed'' and then the PL clubs will vote on what form that will take.
I think everyone Brighton and below are going to oppose. City dont have anything to gain by playing BCD and with their players having raised concerns, I wouldn't be shocked. Ditto with Chelsea.So that's three of the relegation battlers who have opposed playing the remaining matches in neutral venues:
You'd have to imagine that at least a couple more from the bottom of the table are going to oppose; and they'll probably be joined by a handful in midtable or at the top.
Then we're done. No more Premier League 2019/20.
I hope the league gets abandoned. I'm not being biased in any way when I say that.
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Hell, I wouldn't be shocked if Wolves raise concerns as well, as they are equally likely to fall out of EL places as they are to qualify for CL
Nah, the way some posts go, soldiers in a war zone are safer and have better survival chances than these players that will be tested regularly. Didn't you know they will be getting sent to their definite death out there.
People are returning back to work with only face masks and new social distancing rules and guidelines as their mean to reduce risks of infections. Hmm doesn't seem that bad. But let me mention something outrageous. Football players will be returning to playing football while being regularly tested, with every possible precautions that could be taken, to avoid risk of infection, as well as every medical means available at their disposition. Naturally the logical reaction is to think they're being sent to their certain death and those leading figures and decision makers in football are Hitlers reincarnated. The Horror.
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He’s absolutely spot on. Not that Delusion* FC supporters will, or can, accept that, though.
Am I understanding correctly that Villa are prepared to be relegated rather than play at neutral venues? Surely the only fair outcome if things can’t restart is to have the tables as they are - with average points for anyone who has played a game less?
I wonder how that would work in a contact sport? Nobody has still answered that unless you mean players are more important then regular people and should be treated different.
There are gigantic problems without talking about health as a reason. We should stop this circus.
I doubt they'll relagate at all if the 38 games arent played out
A Scouse narrative if ever there was one; we (Liverpool) get the title, because none will object, you down there will get dumped.
As has been said many times, the rules defines a season and what happens. If it doesn't get finished/curtailed, there are no measures in the rules for relegation, promotion or awarding a title.
Going forward; retrospectively applied is conflating issues and open to undue pressures. You can't weaponise the future to the past
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Thats why they will need to get those in place going forward and for this season I expect they will end up voting on various options.
but football needs to continue because people's lives and economies depends on it (and so does Liverpool's title)
Was actually quite ok and supportive of them given the title whatever happens this season.
But a few pages lately I changed my mind, the amount of hypocrisy of wanting to continue the league because they're 2-3 games from winning it in the name of "economies and if its safe bullshit" has got me turned.
Feck em, void the season altogether.
We've got a fairly decent run in with only Chelsea above us still to play - but the players may not want to risk playing I can't see how it can be done safely
I do have sympathy for the clubs who are being "bullied" into a decision. On the other hand, the clubs who are objecting to playing at neutral venues aren't doing it for any reason other than their own interests. Home advantage would count for very little if games are being played without supporters anyway. If the PL decided to give upon the neutral venue idea, these same clubs would then just object to playing behind closed doors at all, using the same argument of losing out on proper home advantage. They will obviously disagree with any idea if they think doing so could help them avoid an unfavourable league position. The standoff cannot continue for months, so if clubs need to be pressured into a decision, then so be it. Nothing is going to be 100% equally fair on everyone, so some teams are just going to have to deal with it. My Scottish team, Falkirk, were only 1 point off the lead with a +20 goal difference with 8 games to go, but they have awarded the League title to Raith. Is that fair? No. Nothing was going to be completely fair in this unprecedented situation though. Some teams are going to have to take the hit worse than others. Whether that's Villa, Liverpool or whoever. A definitive decision needs to be made so the game can move forward and, tough luck to whoever feels hard done by.
Do all clubs have to be in agreeance before anything can be decided?
They might be but you don't no that for a fact. We know if the season gets played on it will be as normal.
If no more games are played out you have no idea if Aston Villa will be relegated for a number of reasons.
Any decisions they vote on need at least 14 clubs in favour to be carried. The bottom 6 only need one more club to back them in voting against neutral venues and it won't go thru.
Also it's not like there are only two options you'll have atleast 3 or 4 different scenarios being thrown about by teams in different positions.
They’re just doing it to put pressure on the League to scrap relegation and go with the Liverpool Title Parade version.So that's three of the relegation battlers who have opposed playing the remaining matches in neutral venues:
You'd have to imagine that at least a couple more from the bottom of the table are going to oppose; and they'll probably be joined by a handful in midtable or at the top.
Then we're done. No more Premier League 2019/20.
I hope the league gets abandoned. I'm not being biased in any way when I say that.
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Here's hoping Ole and Ed are aware of this then!
In all seriousness, if that's the case, there needs to be a clear outline of what happens if clubs can't agree on a way of returning to play. Otherwise nothing will be agreed upon.
Ofcourse, but no one know how results will pan out. Plus, correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys are slow starters
Yes you would like to think that the PL will see a likely defeat for neutral venues and would have the next options (if there are any) lined up ready for more voting. But to be honest I think it may get taken out of their hands tomorrow. If the govt don't ease restrictions then it will be too late to meet UEFA's deadline.
If they can't agree then I imagine the TV money will be lost or at least there will need to be a negotiation but perhaps more importantly what will happen with relegation? The PL have agreements with the EFL and FA which need to be honoured (3 up 3 down).
Don’t think people got the reference judging by the serious responses.