Is drafted into nearly every standard Force Maejure clause i've ever seen. I've taken it out of a few contracts, but it is a standard element of those clauses.
Could they void the PL due to the Coronavirus? | No | Resuming June 17th
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Not necessarily.
100% this. A few doctors I know have said Coronavirus may well be here to stay but the big anxiety stems from it being a new strain so 1) no one is immune YET and 2) they are learning about the effects of the virus itself. But what they do know is that it's ultimately from the strain of the same cold as they've seen before so it shouldn't be unmanageable in the long term. It might be that going forward it comes around seasonally and affects a few people but by then they know what it is and what they're dealing with etc.
But Guardian will take that, and spin it and make it look like the world will end.
I disagree that vis major clauses are not general blanket clauses, only a careless lawyer would leave them out because they are an integral component of commercial contracts. World history is littered with pandemics and wars (world, regional or even local wars), so it's imperative for any lawyer worth his fee to include a vis major/Act of God clause to cover such events. You can be sure that, for instance, in Asia vis major is part of any major contract after the tsunami experiences, if not before. After coronavirus, the football authorities in Europe will ensure these events are covered in their league rules, commercial deals and player contracts, assuming they are not already covered which I doubt. A vis major clause does not broaden a contractual clause, it only ensures that a party will not be forced to complete its contractual obligations if events beyond it's contractual control happen. At the end of the day the question is: What do the FA and Premier League rules and regulations say about this or such events? - that's what needs to be determined from the legal instruments, and my argument is I would be shocked if they are silent.
It's The Guardian.
You may as well listen to what The Star or Talksport have to say.
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...sers-liverpool-title-man-united-a4387626.html
Has this article been discussed yet?
14 out of 19 clubs would need to vote for a voided season.
Has this article been discussed yet?
14 out of 19 clubs would need to vote for a voided season.
This is basically what will happen to Liverpool...
It’s not an opinion piece. They’re quoting a Public Health England document. The CMO did say in an earlier press conference that a worst case scenario of 80% was possible. However the document says it’s expected:
“As many as 80% of the population are expected to be infected with Covid-19 in the next 12 months, and up to 15% (7.9 million people) may require hospitalisation.”
I didn’t
Where can I find this thread?I think it does help, there are to many idiots out there that think this is all fine, if only a few of them read this and think "shit I had better be more careful" then lives could be saved.
That’s why Super League idea is better now than CL, EL in this situation. Plenty of qualifying round in CL & EL need to start early before we can enter group stage. We can’t start that with many leagues being suspended. In current system it faces the same issues and more.
Super League is hosted between the big clubs. Without dealing with qualifying round, it can be arranged to start after everything being under control. Super League ain’t supposed to be fair which in normal circumstances people would object, but now in this situation it’s flexibility would make it doable.
Or: 'SHIT! Better stock up on toilet roll like a fecking lemon so everyone else, including the elderly, can't get any when they genuinely need it. Oh and 17kg of pasta too'
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I saw, that Spain could be locked down for at least 2 months. If the same thing happens in England, then the PL is over for this season - I can`t see, how it could be saved. But that will leave everything in a mess. If you choose Liverpool as winners, you also have to take other clubs into account: What about the WBA and Leeds who can win promotions? And what about negative considerations, like Norwich, which is the last team in the league? Or Bournemouth, who are in third place from the bottom with the same number of points like Watford and West Ham? If you take one club into account, you have to take into account all of them. In fact, I'd rather see the league end with Liverpool as winners than see teams being awarded championships, promotions and relegations artificially. And if you don`t crown a winner, then WBA and Leeds have to stay in the Championship, while Norwich stays in the PL - or?
League Cup has a winner. If the ban on City stands, Aston Villa would be qualified for EL qualifying round. Other countries smaller leagues season had ended such as Norwegian league (?)
This league season for many being voided, but not the completed competitions. UEFA has the responsibility to see who they would allow into their competitions the following season. However, they’re not bound legally to settle by previous season positions as there are changes since that time: we‘re not time traveling.
With no estimation of when the pandemic can be put under control, UEFA has their hand tied, with this and the EURo. This is why I see Super League idea is where it would help show the problem for next season before things can be resumed to normal in 21/22. Big clubs are to take care of themselves or they have nothing to show next season.
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https://www.football.london/premier-league/coronavirus-covid-fa-premier-league-17922845
I don’t know the reputation of the site. Just gave link
I can't speak for the rest of Europe or the US but I think the English media have been irresposible with this situation from the get go, every death toll headline they can print or stick in a video is there, every worst case scenario is hypothesized on, but there are a lot of people that have been infected and recovered, yet they barely mention that as it lacks the sensationalist clickbait punch.
I think most of us are wide awake to how serious this is now, it's time for some calm and patience IMO, as panic will only make things worse..
Anyone still stupid enough to think there's no real problem is too stupid to be changed by any headline, all it does is create worry and fear for everyone else and fuels the morons that are buying shops out like we are about to live a real life version of The Walking Dead, not caring about the lack of supplies for the people who are most vulnerable as for the most part they are the ones that don't have the means or money to go out in their big SUV and buy a few thousand pounds worth of supplies.
If Liverpool aren’t awarded the title after this I legit will start believing in a higher power.
I think the UK will go into lockdown in the next week or two, when it happens I think they'll cancel the league.
The Dipper media is going into a right meltdown. Barrow in the Mail is suggesting that in order to get this season done any or all of the following must happen so that we can finish this season:
1) Cancel the Euro's full stop
2) Next season to be reduced to 19 games (because that obviously would not cause problems with TV contracts nor jeopardise the 'integrity' (a word he seems fond of) of the league.)
3) Players contracts and transfers will need some imagined new rule of his.
4) Fiddle about with or cancel the domestic cups.
Honestly, I can never get over how deluded and self centred Dippers are. How many national associations, players or clubs would be worse off with such a situation rather than voiding?
1) Cancel the Euro's full stop
2) Next season to be reduced to 19 games (because that obviously would not cause problems with TV contracts nor jeopardise the 'integrity' (a word he seems fond of) of the league.)
3) Players contracts and transfers will need some imagined new rule of his.
4) Fiddle about with or cancel the domestic cups.
Honestly, I can never get over how deluded and self centred Dippers are. How many national associations, players or clubs would be worse off with such a situation rather than voiding?
When it’s safe to do so the season will be finished. Without a rule for a situation like this the integrity of the PL would be compromised if the season was voided. The Italian FA have asked UEFA to cancel Euro2020 so they can finish their leagues. I expect other national leagues to follow suit.
This will mean Utd getting a chance at CL football which I know means more to you guys than denying LFC a title.
This will mean Utd getting a chance at CL football which I know means more to you guys than denying LFC a title.
It’s just the Italian FA. Doesn’t mean the Italian government would allow. Italy by reports, just had a day with highest death toll to the virus. Does it look like the government had been able to control the situation?When it’s safe to do so the season will be finished. Without a rule for a situation like this the integrity of the PL would be compromised if the season was voided. The Italian FA have asked UEFA to cancel Euro2020 so they can finish their leagues. I expect other national leagues to follow suit.
This will mean Utd getting a chance at CL football which I know means more to you guys than denying LFC a title.
Doesn’t mean other leagues to follow. The people lives are the matters here. Not your FA officials.
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https://www.foxnews.com/world/italy-coronavirus-cases-deaths-europe
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Of course it depends on public health, no-one knows where that will be by the summer. Lots of grim forecasts but football will plan ahead based on different scenarios and advice from health and govt officials. That’s why I said it will be completed when it’s safe to do so.
The request is to postpone the EURO, not cancelling. The Italian FA officials just gave a decoy explanation to avoid opening a political can of worm saying something like the Italian government is struggling to deal with the virus! A good move even though it sounds stupid for the Italian FA to say that.
Even the governments ain’t able to see when this would ease. Football plan being planned out is far stretched.
But how will Klopp react to being denied the title?
I can totally picture him pulling a Shooter Mcgavin
It's not emotional. Its the rational and sensible option.
Yes, I am thinking about the 90 other clubs (Interestingly what would happen to Bury now in the result of a void season?) Teams like Sheffield United and Wolves don't deserve to have their season taken away from them, even the likes of Steve Bruce and Newcastle have had a good season considering that most people had them as favourites to go down.
Its no surprise that the main two offenders that want to get the season voided are the incredibly underachieving West Ham and Spurs!
Is that really how we work now, we reward failure?
I am thinking about it from a societal perspective. My 71 year old Dad has Cancer, in normal circumstances a very easily treatable one, however now this has all changed, and he's obviously a massive risk if he catches the disease.
Losing my shit? Hardly.
You can add them to the memes about Liverpool paying 36 million for Salah, Liverpool celebrating the West Brom Result, Klopp never winning anything etc. Look how well that turned out?
It will be finished eventually on the basis that you can't start a new season without completing the previous one.
If you don't complete one season, whats to stop 14 teams that aren't happy with the way the next season is going all working together and voiding it? Its sets an incredibly dangerous precedent to not finish a season that is about 75% of the way through.
PL is just one division. Several more divisions that FA has to look at.
There is a good reason to cancel the season: global pandemic with no vaccine and cure. It‘s more dangerous to ruin the league reputation to put players, staffs, and fans in danger to complete the season at all cost. Football is not that big to tempt another outbreak for the whole population to deal with. Those clubs who don’t see that point would need to answer to the people. Good luck.
That's not a reason to finish it. This herd immunity approach isn't simply going to last a month. Players will get sick as well
There's a difference between clubs CHOOSING not to play (which wouldn't happen) and not being ALLOWED to play.
Football being called off is different to clubs ganging up in your hypothetical example.
Especially when you realise Wuhan is a sister city of Manchester and have been since the year Alex Ferguson took over United.
I think this season will be voided if they cant finish off the last games. Everyone knows who won the Premier League really, but theres very few other clear cut decisions. Things like relegating bournemouth on goal difference or trying to call Serie A just doesn't make sense really.
Europa League or Champions League taking place next year dont seem that likely to me either tbh. I'd say it'll be somewhat of an achievement if domestic leagues go off next season without serious changes.
Europa League or Champions League taking place next year dont seem that likely to me either tbh. I'd say it'll be somewhat of an achievement if domestic leagues go off next season without serious changes.
This is shit and depressing
It is a bit. I enjoyed laughing at liverpool for a day. Now i just miss football really
Don't think football will be back so soon.
You think completely changing the face of our football by ditching a domestic cup and altering the complexion of European competitions is “the right thing to do” and you are suggestions it’s other people who have an agenda?