How many of you fly with qatar airways? Or the emirates?
Could Utd be sold soon?
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The Star are reporting the Glazers are due in Saudi Arabia for negotiations and The Sun is running a story about Saudi Arabia now too... So yeah, still nothing which suggests this is realistically happening
I’m slowly saving up so I can buy the club, don’t worry guys.
Seems most on here would be up in arms about this, would you still be if the first batch of signings are Rakitic, Hazard and Mbappe? I suspect not.
It's not one or the other.
Plenty of City fans are happy with their recent success but unhappy with how it came about.
Is selective morals not better than having no morals at all? People are not appalled by the actions of USA etc. because they are usually not aware of it and it is swept under the carpet. If the brutal details about US troops murdering someone is played constantly on the news than I believe that people would be just as outraged. Also, The outrage by people in this case has seen Saudi stock market crash by 7% and a lot of big names have pulled out of their economic conference taking place next week. This will result in Saudi thinking twice before taking any such action in the future so, I don't give a rats ass if you have any problem with it because it will clearly deter Saudi from dismembering someone else in a foreign country in the future.
I don't particularly want a new murderous regime in charge of the club I love. Neither do I want supporters of a murderous regime, who are currently in charge of the club I love and the Glazers buddies can hold their own when it comes to being human rights abusing bastards.
My point is, it's not going to stop me supporting the club as it has feck all to do with the players, staff and fans of the club.
Huh?
I'd be done with the club if it was bought by the House of Saud. I'd hate it and pine for a while, but that would be the end. The idea of Manchester United being used as PR for perhaps the most murderous regime in the world is not something I can abide by. For those that are saying the US and UK are bad, have a shower! United isn't owned by any government - and has never been. Loath the Glazers all you will, but they're private individuals and can't use the entity as a PR exercise etc. It's one thing to talk about having an airline as a sponsor and another to be owned by a family / regime that crushes dissent, promotes misogynistic and sexist practices and murders at will. I don't see myself being able to live with critiquing the regime for their actions, while supporting their plaything.
I do. Comparing Qatar airways and emirates to british airways or lufthansa or any other european company is like compairing Scholes to Cleverly.
The USA and UK was the cause of the death of more than one million Iraqi civilian. So I say we cut the discussion of politics and the double moral and support the club no matter who the owner is.
United isn't associated with USA and UK and is a private entity. Saudi ownership would however mean being directly owned by Mohammad Bin Salman who makes all the key decisions such as Killing a journalist at a embassy and bombing a bus full of schoolchildren. How people can compartmentalize these things is beyond me.
Ok so you will stop supporting united if USA or UK government buy united, but you will still live in these countries governed by the same government?
I can ask the same question to the fans here who live in the USA and UK
How can you live in these countries and pay taxes to these governments who are the direct cause of the death of millions around the world?
Don't think Glazers will sell, don't think they have any reason to sell. The 1-1.5 billion profit they'd make is big for us bot not so for them.
Totally agree with all of that
The Star are reporting the Glazers are due in Saudi Arabia for negotiations and The Sun is running a story about Saudi Arabia now too... So yeah, still nothing which suggests this is realistically happening
Glazers and negotiations? One of the glazers is due to attend a financial conference! It’s probably an annual conference arranged months in advance. Typical red tops and their sensationalist BS!
Some proper clowns on here. It doesn't matter who actually owns the club. The actual football club belongs to the fans, without them it wouldn't exist. Unfortunately the fans are never going to be able to actually own the club so it's always going to go to some rich scumbags. People saying they will support another club is alarming. Some real armchair cases on here.
I'd be pretty disgusted if either of those countries owned United. What does that have to do with Saudi Arabia though?
This argument is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, I can't work out if you're actually serious or if you're just trolling.
People usually live where they were born, where their families come from, and where they are legally considered citizens. Living in a country does not mean you support and endorse every foreign policy. And living in the UK, or US, or Russia, or Israel, doesn't mean you can't call out appalling human rights abuses in other countries - or indeed your own.
Firstly people can't simply give up their lives and live. And even if they left, there are not many countries that offer the same freedom of expression to express their moral outrage such as USA or UK. Do you think USA or UK would kill any Journalist who is critical of them? Nope, not in a million years. Yes, I admit that US actions have caused massive amount of causalities but it's not the action of the politically elected branch of the govt. which is supposed to make these decisions. I'm myself mystified by the vast discrepancy between western moral standard and the actions of the govt. but what I'm 100% certain is that these actions don't represent what our societies stand for and our democracy has been hijacked by a select few who instigate these actions to line their pocket and I have a great amount of hatred for these people just as I have for Saudi rulers. So, I'd be just as pissed if Halliburton or Lockheed martin bought United and used us to promote their propaganda.
Trump, israel.
Do we? You've made an awful lot of baseless statements and assumptions in this thread, in an effort to paint some of us as hypocrites who only sometimes "choose to have morals".
I'm aware of the fact that people of any nation can hold a wide variety of opinions as a society, rather than abiding by whatever strange idea Kostur off Redcafe has of them as a homogenised entity.
It was one of my dad's old jokes.
I dont want to make this a long political discussion, and I agree with almost everything you said, but what I was saying that supporting united and cheering for the club wont change for me even if the Saudis take over the club, why would I care who owns the club, its not like I paying the club anything, and its not like they are going to use the club as a political tool, its totally business and prestige for them.
That's where we have to disagree.
A lot of us on here actually support United for reasons other than their clout in the transfer market. If we were bought by the ruling family of a state, I wouldn't be swayed by who they bought in the least. You can't buy my love, for want of a better phrase.
I was not aware of the fact you can choose your place of birth and whether or not you pay taxes. Please enlighten me on how I can retrospectively go about this.
I very much doubt there'd be any discernible change to the club. Aren't we already working with the Saudi authorities to develop the game over there?
Oh you're so totally off on a tangent!
Living in the UK or US is something that is typically driven by family history and background. Oh and guess what? These are countries which allow for free will and freedom of religion, speech and expression. Oh yeah, that's right, you can actually vote and decide who governs you. You can also voice your objections and protests.
Let's just take the US itself. Is there any dearth of protest against Trump? Was there complete silence during Vietnam? Who are the most vocal critics of US foreign policy? You'll find that more often than not, the most vocal and bitter critics are within America itself.
The fact is, being a citizen of the country is not a choice for most. Supporting policies is. And supporting clubs definitely is. Your logic - at it's core - implies that even if the club was to be bought by the KKK, IS or al-Qaeda, we should continue to support the club. That, my friend, is not something I could ever do.
You can always change where you live and where you pay taxes, I did that.
Not related to this thread but people living in ultra nationalistic countries usually have a tendency to view the world through the us vs lens and assume that people in other country do the same as well whereas people living in some countries see themselves as individuals. I believe that is the case behind the ridiculous back and forth argument in this thread that is going nowhere.
What do you mean, "Iraqi civilians"? These people were living in Iraq, and, as everyone knows (apparently), being born or living/paying taxes in a country automatically means that you agree with every aspect of that country's foreign and domestic policy. The people of Iraq, therefore, were clearly one, giant, homogeneous blob of evil, murderous criminals, identical to Saddam and his sons, and deserving of everything they got....
Or, maybe, just maybe, you cannot blame an entire nation for the actions of their government.
I'm also not clear how any of this relates to the topic of this thread. Have the US or UK governments been linked to a takeover of United? If they have, I will oppose it.
I will give up watching football. I will never follow my football club whilst they are being used as a diversion tactic for a murderous, human rights abusing regime.
My question was rhetorical.
I was not saying that you should quit these countries or stop paying taxes rather than saying you should not stop supporting the club.
That is my last post about it, I think we are out of topic now
Maybe they can set up a new club, something along the line of UMFC of Manchester. just like section of the fans did when the Glazers financed the future of the club on debt the club had to pay off.
Saudi's have investments all over the place, they sell oil to everyone. I don't see many boycotting other things they're involved in.
United are my team, I'll support them until I expire, if I completely unfollowed them due to an owner, I'd make no difference to the owner, so would be a pointless gesture, that would only affect me. But each to their own, we all have standards we have to live to.
Only things that'd change the Saudi regimes way of governance is political pressure from major countries, or war. Which hasn't worked out great in Lybia, Iraq, Egypt etc thus far, maybe one day we'll have the answers and get things right.
I haven’t met one yet who is unhappy how it came about, or about the sneering comments they get from us. All they care about is that they are Champions.
Maybe we should try being better than the odd lot up the road.
This, I agree.