The. Monday or Tuesday ?
Cricket ODI Auction Draft
- Thread starter crappycraperson
- Start date
Saturday is fine.
Cool,will play on Saturday.
@12OunceEpilogue great. Tuesday then? Also, I'm not fussed about the pitch since these are ODIs so let's RNG ours, WDYT?
Schedule
Thursday -
Friday -
Saturday-Mani vs EAP/TMH
Sunday -
Monday - Crappy vs Raees
Tuesday - Michaelf7777777 vs Samid
Thursday -
Friday -
Saturday-Mani vs EAP/TMH
Sunday -
Monday - Crappy vs Raees
Tuesday - Michaelf7777777 vs Samid
Friday is me and @2mufc0
Sunday for me and @Fiskey then
Schedule
Thursday -
Friday - Interval vs 2mufc0
Saturday-Mani vs EAP/TMH
Sunday -Anant vs Fiskey
Monday - Crappy vs Raees
Tuesday - Michaelf7777777 vs Samid
Thursday -
Friday - Interval vs 2mufc0
Saturday-Mani vs EAP/TMH
Sunday -Anant vs Fiskey
Monday - Crappy vs Raees
Tuesday - Michaelf7777777 vs Samid
I've already put my veto in
@anant vetoed Pitch 1 - flat track
@Fiskey vetored Pitch 4 - bowler friendly for seamers
Pitches in play -
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers can exploit some movement off the pitch with new ball along with reasonable bounce; no particular assistance for slow bowlers or spinners.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers will get no help from the pitch; spinners will be able to exploit the pitch with an older ball
#5 Good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners: slow bowlers/spinners will be get assistance throughout the match; pacers will not get any assistance; batsmen will have to dig deep to make runs against slow bowlers.
@Fiskey vetored Pitch 4 - bowler friendly for seamers
Pitches in play -
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers can exploit some movement off the pitch with new ball along with reasonable bounce; no particular assistance for slow bowlers or spinners.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers will get no help from the pitch; spinners will be able to exploit the pitch with an older ball
#5 Good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners: slow bowlers/spinners will be get assistance throughout the match; pacers will not get any assistance; batsmen will have to dig deep to make runs against slow bowlers.
@Mani vetoed Pitch 1 - flat track
@Edgar Allan Pillow / @The Man Himself vetored Pitch 4 - bowler friendly for seamers
Pitches in play -
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers can exploit some movement off the pitch with new ball along with reasonable bounce; no particular assistance for slow bowlers or spinners.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers will get no help from the pitch; spinners will be able to exploit the pitch with an older ball
#5 Good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners: slow bowlers/spinners will be get assistance throughout the match; pacers will not get any assistance; batsmen will have to dig deep to make runs against slow bowlers.
@Edgar Allan Pillow / @The Man Himself vetored Pitch 4 - bowler friendly for seamers
Pitches in play -
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers can exploit some movement off the pitch with new ball along with reasonable bounce; no particular assistance for slow bowlers or spinners.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers will get no help from the pitch; spinners will be able to exploit the pitch with an older ball
#5 Good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners: slow bowlers/spinners will be get assistance throughout the match; pacers will not get any assistance; batsmen will have to dig deep to make runs against slow bowlers.
@Raees vetoed Pitch 1 - flat track
@crappycraperson vetoed Pitch 5 - good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners
Pitches in play -
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers can exploit some movement off the pitch with new ball along with reasonable bounce; no particular assistance for slow bowlers or spinners.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers will get no help from the pitch; spinners will be able to exploit the pitch with an older ball
#4 Good bowling pitch for seamers/pacers - pacers/seamers will be get assistance throughout the match; spinners will not get any assistance; batsmen will have to dig deep to make runs against pacers.
@crappycraperson vetoed Pitch 5 - good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners
Pitches in play -
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers can exploit some movement off the pitch with new ball along with reasonable bounce; no particular assistance for slow bowlers or spinners.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers will get no help from the pitch; spinners will be able to exploit the pitch with an older ball
#4 Good bowling pitch for seamers/pacers - pacers/seamers will be get assistance throughout the match; spinners will not get any assistance; batsmen will have to dig deep to make runs against pacers.
@Samid vetoed Pitch 1 - flat track
@Michaelf7777777 vetoed Pitch 4 - bowler friendly for seamers
Pitches in play -
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers can exploit some movement off the pitch with new ball along with reasonable bounce; no particular assistance for slow bowlers or spinners.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers will get no help from the pitch; spinners will be able to exploit the pitch with an older ball
#5 Good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners: slow bowlers/spinners will be get assistance throughout the match; pacers will not get any assistance; batsmen will have to dig deep to make runs against slow bowlers.
@Michaelf7777777 vetoed Pitch 4 - bowler friendly for seamers
Pitches in play -
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers can exploit some movement off the pitch with new ball along with reasonable bounce; no particular assistance for slow bowlers or spinners.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers will get no help from the pitch; spinners will be able to exploit the pitch with an older ball
#5 Good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners: slow bowlers/spinners will be get assistance throughout the match; pacers will not get any assistance; batsmen will have to dig deep to make runs against slow bowlers.
Schedule
Thursday -
Friday - Interval vs 2mufc0
Saturday-Mani vs EAP/TMH - Pitch 2,3,5
Sunday -Anant vs Fiskey- Pitch 2,3,5
Monday - Crappy vs Raees - Pitch 2,3,4
Tuesday - Michaelf7777777 vs Samid- Pitch 2,3,5
Thursday -
Friday - Interval vs 2mufc0
Saturday-Mani vs EAP/TMH - Pitch 2,3,5
Sunday -Anant vs Fiskey- Pitch 2,3,5
Monday - Crappy vs Raees - Pitch 2,3,4
Tuesday - Michaelf7777777 vs Samid- Pitch 2,3,5
@2mufc0 I'm good to go sir. Good luck
Same, sent my wrietup in last night to @crappycraperson
Will start match soon
Round 1 Match ups
Schedule
Friday - Interval vs 2mufc0 - Pitch 2,3,5
Saturday-Mani vs EAP/TMH - Pitch 2,3,5
Sunday -Anant vs Fiskey- Pitch 2,3,5
Wednesday - Crappy vs Raees - Pitch 2,3,4
Tuesday - Michaelf7777777 vs Samid- Pitch 2,3,5
Thursday --??
Friday - Interval vs 2mufc0 - Pitch 2,3,5
Saturday-Mani vs EAP/TMH - Pitch 2,3,5
Sunday -Anant vs Fiskey- Pitch 2,3,5
Wednesday - Crappy vs Raees - Pitch 2,3,4
Tuesday - Michaelf7777777 vs Samid- Pitch 2,3,5
Thursday --??
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Wow. Everyone vetoing the flat tracks
@Damien can you help with the poll.
Who will win over a 3 match series?
Option 1 - Interval
Option 2 - 2mufco
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24 hours poll please. Public and votes can be changed.
Who will win over a 3 match series?
Option 1 - Interval
Option 2 - 2mufco
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24 hours poll please. Public and votes can be changed.
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Round 1 - Match #1
Match #1 Interval vs 2mufc
Please adjudicate as to which team will win over a 3 match series with a match each on following pitches -
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers can exploit some movement off the pitch with new ball along with reasonable bounce; no particular assistance for slow bowlers or spinners.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers will get no help from the pitch; spinners will be able to exploit the pitch with an older ball
#5 Good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners: slow bowlers/spinners will be get assistance throughout the match; pacers will not get any assistance; batsmen will have to dig deep to make runs against slow bowlers.
Team Interval
Line up for all pitches #2 and #5
1. Hashim Amla
2. Jason Roy
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Javed Miandad (C)
5. Michael Clarke
6. Tom Latham (WK)
7. Abdul Razzaq
8. Michael Holding
9. Dennis Lillee
10. Imran Tahir
11. Curtly Ambrose
Line up for Pitch #3
1. Hashim Amla
2. Jason Roy
3. Rahul Dravid (WK)
4. Javed Miandad (C)
5. Michael Clarke
6. Glenn Maxwell
7. Abdul Razzaq
8. Michael Holding
9. Dennis Lillee
10. Imran Tahir
11. Curtly Ambrose
Team 2mufc0
Lineup for all pitches #2, #3, #5
Match 1 result - 2mufc wins by 6-4
Please adjudicate as to which team will win over a 3 match series with a match each on following pitches -
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers can exploit some movement off the pitch with new ball along with reasonable bounce; no particular assistance for slow bowlers or spinners.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - Reasonably good surface for batsmen; fast bowlers will get no help from the pitch; spinners will be able to exploit the pitch with an older ball
#5 Good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners: slow bowlers/spinners will be get assistance throughout the match; pacers will not get any assistance; batsmen will have to dig deep to make runs against slow bowlers.
Team Interval
Line up for all pitches #2 and #5
1. Hashim Amla
2. Jason Roy
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Javed Miandad (C)
5. Michael Clarke
6. Tom Latham (WK)
7. Abdul Razzaq
8. Michael Holding
9. Dennis Lillee
10. Imran Tahir
11. Curtly Ambrose
Line up for Pitch #3
1. Hashim Amla
2. Jason Roy
3. Rahul Dravid (WK)
4. Javed Miandad (C)
5. Michael Clarke
6. Glenn Maxwell
7. Abdul Razzaq
8. Michael Holding
9. Dennis Lillee
10. Imran Tahir
11. Curtly Ambrose
Team 2mufc0
Lineup for all pitches #2, #3, #5
- Brendon McCullum (wk)
- Chris Gayle
- Faf Du Plessis
- Steve Smith
- Kevin Pietersen
- Eoin Morgan
- Andrew Flintoff
- Shaun Pollock
- Richard Hadlee
- Ajantha Mendis
- Courtney Walsh
Match 1 result - 2mufc wins by 6-4
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Team Interval - write up
(1) Balanced batting line up with aggressors and inning stabilisers
(2) Great runners between wickets
(3) Big scorers
(4) Ridiculous bowling effective on almost every pitch (my spinner was effective in RSA too)
(5) Most importantly, leaders and winners across - 5 wc winners and 3 wc finalists
Team mufc0 write up
I have aimed to create a dynamic team that is flexible and has a wide variety. In terms of batting i have an explosive lineup with all batsmen upto 7 having a s/r of 85+. The batsmen can score big and at a fast rate which is what is required in ODI cricket. The two openers are devastating and followed by two accumulators in Du Plessis and Smith who can also play as anchors, although not as explosive as the others they score at a very good rate. The power hitters come in later waiting to finish off the innings, KP, Morgan, Flintoff, Pollock and Hadleee can smash the ball around the park. Another feature of this lineup is that the batting is very deep going all the way down to no.8.
With regards to the bowlers i have 4 out and out wicket takers in Pollock, Hadlee, Flintoff and Mendis, although Walsh wasn't as dangerous in terms of wicket taking in ODI's he's great for tying up one end and giving barely any runs away. Gayle provides a part time spin option to add variation to the attack.
Thoughts on the match
The opposition fields a very strong team on paper and the main strength is the 3 pronged pace attack, however i would say in ODI's my 3 pacemen are comparable. The bigger difference will be the 5th bowler, the opposition 5th bowler is likely to be Razzaq, who i feel we can target as he often got taken to the cleaners, while my 5th bowler (Walsh) is superior in this regard. I would rate both spinners at the same level however Gayle is a better bowler than Maxwell.
With regards to batting, this is where i feel i have the clear upper hand, the opposition is likely to field 3 accumulators who don't score particularly fast (Dravid, Miandad, Clarke) and i feel we can tie these guys down and in turn keeping the score down, in comparison all of my batsmen have a s/r of 85+. Also the opposition also has no world class allrounder and the tail starts relatively early ready for us to exploit. On the other hand we bat to no.8
One final point is the opposition is like to field Dravid as W/K, whilst he was OK he was not a specialist, in a close game the dropped catches, missed stumpings and extra byes can make all the difference. Dravid himself acknowledged he was a mediocre keeper and a role he didn't really enjoy "I was never a natural wicket-keeper. It was challenging, it was never easy" and "I enjoyed the the contribution that I was able to make for the team with something that wasn't my main proficiency".
(1) Balanced batting line up with aggressors and inning stabilisers
(2) Great runners between wickets
(3) Big scorers
(4) Ridiculous bowling effective on almost every pitch (my spinner was effective in RSA too)
(5) Most importantly, leaders and winners across - 5 wc winners and 3 wc finalists
Team mufc0 write up
| Matches | Runs | Bat Avg | Bat S/R | Wickets | Bowl Avg | Bowl S/R | Econ | |
| B. McCullum | 260 | 6083 | 30.41 | 96.37 | ||||
| C. Gayle | 301 | 10480 | 37.83 | 87.19 | 167 | 35.48 | 44.4 | 4.78 |
| F. Du Plessis | 143 | 5507 | 47.47 | 88.60 | ||||
| S. Smith | 125 | 4162 | 42.46 | 86.67 | ||||
| K. Pietersen | 136 | 4440 | 40.73 | 86.58 | ||||
| E. Morgan | 236 | 7368 | 39.40 | 91.13 | ||||
| A. Flintoff | 141 | 3394 | 32.01 | 88.82 | 169 | 24.38 | 33.2 | 4.39 |
| S. Pollock | 303 | 3519 | 26.45 | 86.69 | 393 | 24.50 | 39.9 | 3.67 |
| R. Hadlee | 115 | 1751 | 21.61 | 75.50 | 158 | 21.56 | 39.1 | 3.30 |
| C. Walsh | 205 | 227 | 30.47 | 47.6 | 3.83 | |||
| A. Mendis | 87 | 152 | 21.86 | 27.3 | 4.80 |
I have aimed to create a dynamic team that is flexible and has a wide variety. In terms of batting i have an explosive lineup with all batsmen upto 7 having a s/r of 85+. The batsmen can score big and at a fast rate which is what is required in ODI cricket. The two openers are devastating and followed by two accumulators in Du Plessis and Smith who can also play as anchors, although not as explosive as the others they score at a very good rate. The power hitters come in later waiting to finish off the innings, KP, Morgan, Flintoff, Pollock and Hadleee can smash the ball around the park. Another feature of this lineup is that the batting is very deep going all the way down to no.8.
With regards to the bowlers i have 4 out and out wicket takers in Pollock, Hadlee, Flintoff and Mendis, although Walsh wasn't as dangerous in terms of wicket taking in ODI's he's great for tying up one end and giving barely any runs away. Gayle provides a part time spin option to add variation to the attack.
Thoughts on the match
The opposition fields a very strong team on paper and the main strength is the 3 pronged pace attack, however i would say in ODI's my 3 pacemen are comparable. The bigger difference will be the 5th bowler, the opposition 5th bowler is likely to be Razzaq, who i feel we can target as he often got taken to the cleaners, while my 5th bowler (Walsh) is superior in this regard. I would rate both spinners at the same level however Gayle is a better bowler than Maxwell.
With regards to batting, this is where i feel i have the clear upper hand, the opposition is likely to field 3 accumulators who don't score particularly fast (Dravid, Miandad, Clarke) and i feel we can tie these guys down and in turn keeping the score down, in comparison all of my batsmen have a s/r of 85+. Also the opposition also has no world class allrounder and the tail starts relatively early ready for us to exploit. On the other hand we bat to no.8
One final point is the opposition is like to field Dravid as W/K, whilst he was OK he was not a specialist, in a close game the dropped catches, missed stumpings and extra byes can make all the difference. Dravid himself acknowledged he was a mediocre keeper and a role he didn't really enjoy "I was never a natural wicket-keeper. It was challenging, it was never easy" and "I enjoyed the the contribution that I was able to make for the team with something that wasn't my main proficiency".
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@Interval please give working image links
My first thought was, "why is Hashim Amla playing for both teams???" and then I realized it was two different teams for different types of pitches. Not sure what to make of it to be honest. The first lineup has Latham with the gloves and in the next one he makes way for Maxwell and Dravid takes the gloves. I understand the idea is to have an extra spinner on the spinning turf but I'm struggling to see why it would matter when you put in a less efficient keeper on a turf where he theoretically has more challenges. In general I have to say I don't like the idea of pitches playing a part in these kind of games, but that's just my view.
I like @2mufc0's team as it's a bit easier to understand. I think Mendis is a bit tricky to rate because I feel he was unstoppable when he first started playing and became useless once his fingers burnt out and batsmen figured out what to do with him. Interestingly, the best delivery I've ever seen him bowl was to Dravid IIRC; pitched up, angled in to leg stump and spinning away from the batsmen, clipping the top of off stump as it went.
I like @2mufc0's team as it's a bit easier to understand. I think Mendis is a bit tricky to rate because I feel he was unstoppable when he first started playing and became useless once his fingers burnt out and batsmen figured out what to do with him. Interestingly, the best delivery I've ever seen him bowl was to Dravid IIRC; pitched up, angled in to leg stump and spinning away from the batsmen, clipping the top of off stump as it went.
I think we are judging players at their peak, so in this case Mendis should be rated on that and it's not a really small peak he did take 150 wickets. Most of the tricky spinners eventually do get found out (Saqlain is another example), i guess that's why Warne and Murali are undisputed GOATS.
Poll added @crappycraperson. I'll give you the ability to create poll so you can do so in future, but you'll need a mod to delete existing ones.
Edit: You already had the ability to create polls
Edit: You already had the ability to create polls
Whoa.. sorry I missed it.
Well, Dravid would theoretically struggle against Quick bowling when keeping. On slower pitches, he should suffice as a keeper. When the pitch is semi decent to bat on and supports some spin, Maxwell gives quick runs and some added bowling.
According to me, this is close, but honestly, I have more technically adept players. Without any flat track, Gayle, McCullum, Morgan aren't really the most technically adept players. And let's also be hinest that Steve Smith is not so great in ODIs.
Mendis argument is pointless. You can't judge a player ONLY by his peak. By that logic, Jimmy Adams averages over 80+ over 3+ years making him a top test pick.
Imran Tahir is equally if not a better spinner. Also, as we ignoring the fact that Dravid, Miandad, Razzaq, Clarke are stupendous players of spin? You can't just take Mendis in isolation.
Finally, his bowling pack is no match. Freddie, Pollock and Hadlee is below Lillee, Ambrose and Holding. The latter rely on pace and bounce too that makes them effective on any pitch. Walsh and Razzaq isn't a fair comp because (a) Razzaq at his peak was a great bowler and (2) 5th bowler responsibility is shared across multiple players.
The fact is that his batting is susceptible and relies alot on Smith and KP to do something. Don't really rate Faf too much either.
I don't see how my batting is susceptible, we bat a lot deeper and all average similar to your batsmen and score at a far superior rate. And i'll be honest i wouldn't mind your middle order batting out most of the innings as they will score at a manageable rate, the game has evolved where you need fast scoring batsmen supplemented by fast accumulators, you don't have either. And if we do get your middle order early we can skittle the rest of your team out with that long tail, Razzaq and Maxwell are more finishers and not the most reliable batsmen who will dig in if your team is in trouble.
And saying your pace attack can't be matched isn't accurate, Pollock and Hadlee's main strengths were their swing, seam, variation and intelligence something you need more than sheer pace on batting friendly pitches. I have no problem if you say the attack is slightly better but the gap isn't that big. I also think you are underrating Flintoff's bowling his stats are up there in the top tier and matches Ambrose (Flintoff actually has a superior s/r 33 vs 41).
With regards to peak, i mean that's how these draft games have always been, unless there's been a change in rules for this one.
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In future, I'd suggest we keep this to a 1 pitch match only.
Having Holding, Lillee and Ambrose in a test would be unbelievable, but in an ODI I don't think it necessarily wins the game. Therefore I'm for @2mufc0.
#2 Good batting pitch with assistance for seamers/pacers - Interval's pace attack is better than 2mufc, not considerably better but better. Batting wise I prefer 2mufc's line up so this was a very very close call for me but I went with Interval.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - I went with 2mufco with this one give his batting has more oomph tp take advantage of good batting pitch with Interval's pace attack advantage muted out.
#5 Good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners: Interval's batting line up has better players in terms of fighting it out on a bowler friendly wicket. Neither side have very good spin attack to take advantage of the conditions but for the former reason alone going with Interval for this match.
#3 Good batting pitch with assistance for spinners - I went with 2mufco with this one give his batting has more oomph tp take advantage of good batting pitch with Interval's pace attack advantage muted out.
#5 Good bowling pitch for slow bowlers/spinners: Interval's batting line up has better players in terms of fighting it out on a bowler friendly wicket. Neither side have very good spin attack to take advantage of the conditions but for the former reason alone going with Interval for this match.
I was under the impression that we consider entire careers. If it's only a 3 year peak it's kinda weird to rate as you'd have some ordinary players turn up on the stats.
This is going off on a tangent, but I actually think Saqlain in ODIs is comparable to Murali and Warne. He had a couple of poor seasons but apart from those I think he has excellent figures and his aggressive use of variations actually worked well in ODIs, while he lacked that edge in Tests where batsmen had more time to sort him out without worrying about the scoring rate.
Agreed. It's hard to compare the teams and also pitches in ODIs generally don't have any demons in them. You'd anyway need quick bowlers at the beginning and end of the innings and also spinners in the middle overs so it shouldn't really be a factor anyway.
@crappycraperson what happen to my match with EAP/TMH?
Starting now
@Damien can you delete the above poll