FrankDrebin
Don't call me Shirley
Outside of his goals, how have his performances been ?
If you disregard penalties he's not even the most used and prolific forward at Juventus.I am not sure which other players you are referring to here?
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So your are suggesting scoring penalties is not prolific? Maybe missing penalties is better than scoring them then?If you disregard penalties he's not even the most used and prolific forward at Juventus.
From open play:
Ronaldo:
10 match started
11 played
919 minutes
8 goals
1 assist
0.78 goals per 90mins
0.88 goals+assists per 90mins
Morata:
12 match started
14 played
1032 mins
9 goals
4 assists
0.78 goals per 90mins
1.13 goals+assists per 90mins
https://fbref.com/en/squads/e0652b02/2020-2021/all_comps/Juventus-Stats-All-Competitions
Yeh without penalties Lukaku would more prolific than Lewandoski, who only has 13 goals in 16 games.oh and of course, wait for it...
Lukaku:
13 match started
15 match played
1147 minutes
12 goals
2 assists
0.94 goals per 90mins
1.10 goals+assists per 90mins
Yes but even by his own standards at Juve and considering he had Covid, he has improved his numbers compared to his other seasons at Juve. Defensively he’s tracking back more too albeit not pressing as hard.Lesser, slower league means he has more time on the ball?
If you disregard penalties he's not even the most used and prolific forward at Juventus.
From open play:
Ronaldo:
10 match started
11 played
919 minutes
8 goals
1 assist
0.78 goals per 90mins
0.88 goals+assists per 90mins
Morata:
12 match started
14 played
1032 mins
9 goals
4 assists
0.78 goals per 90mins
1.13 goals+assists per 90mins
https://fbref.com/en/squads/e0652b02/2020-2021/all_comps/Juventus-Stats-All-Competitions
Posting Lukaku stats was just banter - and as an Inter fan, I'm honestly more impressed by the amount he misses than the amount he scores...Yeh without penalties Lukaku would more prolific than Lewandoski, who only has 13 goals in 16 games.
But the world count penalties as goals, sad isn’t it.
He's not a CB and his conversion rate is very good, and if you want to take open play into account then it's also a merit of him if those penalties come from fouls committed to him; so he's clearly impacting the game.Being consistently good at scoring penalties is of course an important trait for a player in a team, and Ronaldo 6 out of 6 is another good stat about him, but... let's put it this way: if the designated, and consistently good, penalty taker for a team was a CB, instead of a striker, nothing would change for that team; but if their striker doesn't score much from open play, well they most probably have a problem.
At the beginning Ronaldo started seasons strong and would finish on poor form or at least that was my impression, then it was like he was administrating himself better starting seasons slower in order to be able to finish seasons strong. Overall I always thought his workrate was good at least he comes very handy when defending set pieces and corner kicks but it also changes depending on the team as with Portugal all the team seems involved in defending and thus Ronaldo tracks back more when playing for Portugal.Very interesting statistic. Generally they underline the impression that his last Madrid season was his worst in terms of overall contribution and that his playing style for Juve is more active again. I'm curious how those stats looked from 2009 to 2013 by the way.
Laugh all you want, penalties are an easier chance to get a goal than most other goal scoring chances.
You can’t disregard them! What’s Ronaldo, Messi, Lewandowski etc supposed to do, miss them?Laugh all you want, penalties are an easier chance to get a goal than most other goal scoring chances.
Dont care if its the 98th time but he Always shat on Messi who went down a level after xavi and Iniesta football seized to exist.
LETS GOOOOOOOSIIIIIIIUUUU
LETS GOOOOOOO
Disagree. Goals are goals, whether its just freekicks or penalties or goals from open play. Even if its goal from open play, one could argue those 5 yard goals against empty net shouldn't be count as well, as its easier to score than penalty. if you go to the extreme to analysis whether the player is prolific or not, there are many ways to breakdown stats, recently there is even a new metric called "expected goals" (XG) to analysis the shot quality and statistical measure the quality of chances created and conceded.Posting Lukaku stats was just banter - and as an Inter fan, I'm honestly more impressed by the amount he misses than the amount he scores...
Anyway, I stand by my opinion that if one wants to bring up a contest about which striker is more, like, "on fire", by counting goals (which is already a crude metric as it disregards when in the game, how, and against who, those where scored, and what he does when he doesn't score), at least only goals from open play and set pieces should be counted.
Being consistently good at scoring penalties is of course an important trait for a player in a team, and Ronaldo 6 out of 6 is another good stat about him, but... let's put it this way: if the designated, and consistently good, penalty taker for a team was a CB, instead of a striker, nothing would change for that team; but if their striker doesn't score much from open play, well they most probably have a problem.
Yeh he is really on par with Haaland and Lewandowski this season, who are all brilliant.16 goals in 13 games this season! Par for the course for this guy, nothing to see here really.
You have always been outspoken against Ronaldo's penalty in this thread. On the other hand, Messi has scored 5 penalties, out of his 9 goals scored this season (nearly 2/3). What's your opinion on that then?Laugh all you want, penalties are an easier chance to get a goal than most other goal scoring chances.
I know right. This guy must be having Alien DNA or at least be part Cyborg. It's unreal what he does week in and week out.It's kinda maddening that he's somehow managed to revert back to his 2012-2014 version while also keeping the ludicrous knack for deciding big games of the 16-18 version
What I love about him as a player was that extra bit of mentality he had.
He's probably maintaining his standard of fitness even during the pandemic while the rest of the world probably let's it slide a bit hence him looking fitter.Very interesting statistic. Generally they underline the impression that his last Madrid season was his worst in terms of overall contribution and that his playing style for Juve is more active again. I'm curious how those stats looked from 2009 to 2013 by the way.
Possibly all the talk that he's just a poacher also has gotten to him and he tries to prove his critics wrong.
I don't care about what Messi is doing. This is not the Ron vs Messi thread. Messi has been poor this season but so has the whole Barca squad.You have always been outspoken against Ronaldo's penalty in this thread. On the other hand, Messi has scored 5 penalties, out of his 9 goals scored this season (nearly 2/3). What's your opinion on that then?
- Higuain WAS a top player. He regularly started ahead of Aguero for the National Team and his numbers were good at Madrid too. The problem is that he was a serial bottler.Higuain and Immobile scoring 36 goals in a 38 game season kind of shows that the league is a bit meh.