I never said that silva is better than iniesta. I said that if hypothetically silva was in place of iniesta that barca and spain would have similar success. I don't think you should make such a big judgement over one or two matches. Over a whole season for barca and if silva was the main player always for spain I think both teams would be of a similar level but not as good. Xavi is on the decline now too so of course he will get more votes. The results of these polls would change from week to wek also.
Cristiano Ronaldo
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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It's hardly judging Iniesta over one or two games. I am a huge Silva fan, but I just don't think Silva would have been even close in replacing Iniesta in Barca's or Spain's success over the years. I have no problem with Xavi being considered better than Iniesta, in fact if I had to choose I wouldn't know who to choose, but Iniesta is not the lesser player, at least not much. They actually complement each other perfectly, Xavi needs Iniesta (almost) as much as Iniesta needs him imo.
I agree that iniesta is excellent. But barca showed in 09/10 that they can be very good without him featuring as much. They won the league setting at the time a point record without iniesta playing as much due to injuries and hammered arsenal and beat Madrid at the bernebeu with iniesta not starting either match. People will say they lost to inter that year but that match was close and could have gone either way. Chelsea could have beaten them a year earlier with more luck and a good referee.
Ronaldo has now won the domestic league title, European Cup, European Golden Boot and Balon D'Or with two different clubs.
No other player has ever achieved this feat.
Incredible footballer.
No other player has ever achieved this feat.
Incredible footballer.
He didn't win the league this season
I thought I'd "ninja-edited" that before you got me!
Freudian slip, my friend. You are the Demba Ba to my Steven Gerrard.
I thought I'd "ninja-edited" that before you got me!
Freudian slip, my friend. You are the Demba Ba to my Steven Gerrard.
Funny how Ronaldo is now reduced to being compared to Iniesta from comparisons to Messi That's after a season he scores 17 goals in CL, almost single-handedly winning them the trophy. This place can sure be strange at times! Just what would he be if he listened to such weirdos on the internet? I hope for his sakes, he continues to wind people up with even more innovative ideas.
That's after a season he scores 17 goals in CL, almost single-handedly winning them the trophy. This place can sure be strange at times! Just what would he be if he listened to such weirdos on the internet? I hope for his sakes, he continues to wind people up with even more innovative ideas.Didn't he purposely stamp on the opponents also? he's a dirty bastard on the field. There's a reason why Leeds sold him to us.
EDIT: It doesn't mean I don't love Le God.
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I like Ronaldo and all, but his behavior against Atletico was 
he did nothing all game. And scored a meaningless goal(penalty) after Atletico had already been beaten and acted like he decided the game.
he did nothing all game. And scored a meaningless goal(penalty) after Atletico had already been beaten and acted like he decided the game.I disagree. Even if he scored Madrid's equalizer, I don't think he'd have taken off his shirt and risking on getting a yellow card with some time left to play. Also, if Madrid in a lose position (2-1 to Atletico), I also don't think he'd celebrate like that.
I remember after he scored THAT equalizer against Valencia in the league, he didn't celebrate, knowing that the draw wasn't good enough for Madrid's title challenge.
EDIT: found THAT goal. A much better goal on an important match, and he didn't even celebrate.
If you meant that it was planned because he knew he could get away with yellow card, and a bit time wasting as his team almost clinch the game, in order for him to be on the limelight, yes I can agree with that.
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Where do people get this shite from? If ever there was proof that people romanticize footballers like Maradona in 86, there it is. Mere days after winning the trophy Ronaldo has single handedly won it for them despite scoring 2 goals in the semi final when they were already in a very comfortable position, and one penalty in the final when it was already wonFunny how Ronaldo is now reduced to being compared to Iniesta from comparisons to Messi
totally agree.
without skilled and hard working team mates, he would win nothing,
Without him, they'd be even more fecked.
You could say that about any player in any team sport in history!
Where do people get this shite from? If ever there was proof that people romanticize footballers like Maradona in 86, there it is. Mere days after winning the trophy Ronaldo has single handedly won it for them despite scoring 2 goals in the semi final when they were already in a very comfortable position, and one penalty in the final when it was already won
Atheletico didnt have 150 million on their whole team, and they came within two minutes of winning. It is teams that win competitions, not individuals.
His face when he got the penalty spoke volumes. Grinning from ear to ear because he knew he could get his name on the scoresheet. Looked happier than when Bale scored. He is an incredibly egotistical player. Had to make it all about him when he scored. The image of the team all celebrating together and huddling while he is stood a couple of yards away flexing tells you all you need to know about him.
exactly. "Without my team-mates, without space, I am nothing." XaviYou could say that about any player in any team sport in history!
You also didn't manage to edit it at all. Does this make me the Crystal Palace to your Gerrard now?I thought I'd "ninja-edited" that before you got me!
Freudian slip, my friend. You are the Demba Ba to my Steven Gerrard.
Funny how so many people here have become experts in psychology. End up in talking bullshit just like most of the psychologists.Funny a egotistical player celebrates a goal of the team mate from stands like this. He wasn't even playing. I wonder why. Maybe he wanted all photographers to look at him instead of Bale 
I don't think I made any in-depth psychological points. I simply stated what I observed. It takes no psychological nous to state a player who takes his shirt off and is flexing wants to be the centre of attention, just as when Balotelli did it: another egotistical player.
Ya, you'd think he was introduced in all these games after they were wonWhere do people get this shite from? If ever there was proof that people romanticize footballers like Maradona in 86, there it is. Mere days after winning the trophy Ronaldo has single handedly won it for them despite scoring 2 goals in the semi final when they were already in a very comfortable position, and one penalty in the final when it was already won
Call it what you will but he was the most instrumental one in helping them win the trophy and that is by some distance. And I also like how you conveniently ignored the rest of the post probably the only thing the post was all about. Anyway, I'm done, it's nothing new I have heard from you, so I won't bother.See video from copa del rey final above. Why a player who only cares about himself celebrate like that in a game he is not playing?
We'll have to wait 45 years to see how Ronaldo and his teammates reflect back on this game, I suppose. They'll probably also have more perspective than they did yesterday.Listen to him. Then listen to Ronaldo. It's reflected in the way he plays the game and the way his team-mates talk about him as well. Di Stéfano was a very humble, team-orientated man. People have lots of lovely things to say about Ronaldo but I don't think anyone would deny the size of his ego. I don't think it's a controversial claim to suggest Di Stéfano would never have celebrated like so:
So with regards to his over the top celebrations and antics here's something to note.
why the feck do you even care?!
Just bitterness and dislike for the sheer sake of it.
why the feck do you even care?!
Just bitterness and dislike for the sheer sake of it.
He can be egotistical/vain etc. and still care about the team and other people. They're not mutually exclusive.
OK so then what is the point of your original post? If I get it right he loves himself but also cares about team and other people. What is wrong in it?
Because he cares about himself more than he should. When he scored the penalty he could have celebrated with the team but ran off and took his shirt off. If you know anyone who is egotistical you will know it is an undesirable trait.
By what right others decide or try to quantify how much he should care about himself?
If his teammates have no problem with it, his manager doesn't have problem with it, I don't know why some football fans have. If his teammates come out in open saying Ronaldo's antics or his game play is hampering the team, it will be worthy discussion point. Right now people who have problem with him are only some football fans and they come across as bitter.
Bitter about what? Ronaldo deserves all his success.
It's pointless arguing about it, you don't see a problem with his narcissistic attitude. That's fair enough. Personally, I'd prefer it if he was a little more humble and showed more joy for the team as a whole.
His celebration was ridiculously over the top and was probably the most cringeworthy thing I've seen him do since he joined us. I love the man, but this was the most obvious attempt at getting on the frontpages I've ever witnessed.
Do it again next year though, Ronnie!
Do it again next year though, Ronnie!
I didn't say that. But he wasn't even close to making the biggest contribution in the Semi's or final so 'almost single handedly' is so far off the mark it's hilarious.Ya, you'd think he was introduced in all these games after they were won
He is still in his 20s. And a man.
We all know how we are then. If we do something great we want to show it. And thats fine.
It was in his city, his first big club, in his country. He just was happy and posed a bit. Big deal....
The people who know him praise and praised his hard work and kind character and things like this give me a wet eye and (even as a Bayernguy) let me acknowledge his greatness
twitter.com/SeedatUsama/status/471000642375258112/photo/1 so sweet
We all know how we are then. If we do something great we want to show it. And thats fine.
It was in his city, his first big club, in his country. He just was happy and posed a bit. Big deal....
The people who know him praise and praised his hard work and kind character and things like this give me a wet eye and (even as a Bayernguy) let me acknowledge his greatness
twitter.com/SeedatUsama/status/471000642375258112/photo/1 so sweet
feck the Ronaldo haters
I meant he wanted to make sure 'Ronaldo' was the picture on all the back pages, because he's the biggest narcissist on the face of the planet, I thought that was generally accepted.... lets face it he did feck all else to get himself noticed.
How long to Ronaldo day this year?
Surely it's high time a few journos put the Bale-taking-the-spotlight, Ronaldo-over-celebrates-with-Madrid-faithful-turning-on-him stories together and fabricated a load of tosh about him coming to United to bring us back to win the CL and cement his place as the greatest player ever? Sure wouldn't LVG be only perfect to renew his motivation and determination...
Surely it's high time a few journos put the Bale-taking-the-spotlight, Ronaldo-over-celebrates-with-Madrid-faithful-turning-on-him stories together and fabricated a load of tosh about him coming to United to bring us back to win the CL and cement his place as the greatest player ever? Sure wouldn't LVG be only perfect to renew his motivation and determination...
What a ridiculous question. How do you not know this? That's like asking what day Christmas Day or Valentine's Day is! And you call yourself a United fan!?! It's August 8th FFS! It's always August the 8th.
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