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[ti vu]

Not at all.

Maybe LvG didn't rate de gea before he saw him play (which also seems unlikely. Could just be that he rated Navas [a good keeper himself] ahead of DDG before he saw him), he certainly rated him later. DDG played almost every game in all competitions even after we signed valdes as LvG wanted. valdes played only after DDG injured himself in the Arsenal game in 14/15. He also kept saying how good de gea was multiple times

We 'let' him go because he wanted to go. Not because we wanted to sell him. Iirc LvG himself said we have no problem keeping DDG for another year and letting him go on a free in 2016.

DDG signed a 4+1 which was pretty standard for every player.

It's heavily rumored it was LVG who blocked DDG contract renewal when he arrived (on the back of Moyes season. Very similar to signing of Renato Sanches). Valdez has been no where near good enough after his long lay off due to injury. The way LVG rate DDG is similar to the way he rates Smalling: as long as no better option available Smalling can keep playing. However, LVG would always look around to look for replacement that better fits his philosophy: Phil Jones was originally being groomed as our right side center back before his perma injury plague. For his previous clubs: Rivaldo, Ribery, Mario Gomez...

LVG's philosophy regarding keeper is one tough nut. His team broke that German keeper, Robert Enke. Refused to sign Neuer while shuffle goalkeeper at Bayern mid season and crashed their season. Hoeness said the keeper situation was the beginning of the end of LVG's time (and that LVG created unnecessary trouble: fix thing that works while neglecting some immediate problem). Valdez was supposed to know the philosophy was able to fall out with LVG and his coaching team. DDG had a stunning performance vs a Watford away, but in the post match LVG criticized his ball distribution...

The way LVG said is like: no problem if DDG stay. No problem if DDG leave neither. Does sound like how you treat one of the most vital players of the team. DDG has been our consecutive PoTY for years. Then look at how LVG treat Rooney. Mourinho in contrast had his team briefing that DDG is one of the stellar of his team and not for sale at all cost.

 

[prath92]

It's heavily rumored it was LVG who blocked DDG contract renewal when he arrived (on the back of Moyes season. Very similar to signing of Renato Sanches). Valdez has been no where near good enough after his long lay off due to injury. The way LVG rate DDG is similar to the way he rates Smalling: as long as no better option available Smalling can keep playing. However, LVG would always look around to look for replacement that better fits his philosophy: Phil Jones was originally being groomed as our right side center back before his perma injury plague. For his previous clubs: Rivaldo, Ribery, Mario Gomez..

You say he didnt rate 2 players that he played almost every game they were fit for. He even made Smalling the third captain. He quite clearly rated smalling pretty highly. Same with DDG. Its not that he tried to replace any of the other players you mentioned but they claimed he didnt treat them like stars they deserved to be. Ribery also critiscized Guardiola couple of months back.

The way LVG said is like: no problem if DDG stay. No problem if DDG leave neither. Does sound like how you treat one of the most vital players of the team. DDG has been our consecutive PoTY for years. Then look at how LVG treat Rooney. Mourinho in contrast had his team briefing that DDG is one of the stellar of his team and not for sale at all cost.

Thats because both of these are completely different situations De Gea wanted to leave for Madrid. We put our foot down and said we arent dependent on him (even though we were).Our indication was to show that "you stay here without extending your contract, we have no problem in benching you for the next year' with Euro 2016 coming close. It meant he cant just run down his contract but had to either move or sign a new contract. Im pretty sure that is the main reason he signed a new contract too. That was a good move imo. Why should we treat the PoTY with respect and not vice versa?

Its a ploy to not show weakness. In mourinho's case, the situation was different. DDG was on a long contract and Zidane seemed content with Navas. Its easier to keep him then.

LVG's philosophy regarding keeper is one tough nut. His team broke that German keeper, Robert Enke. Refused to sign Neuer while shuffle goalkeeper at Bayern mid season and crashed their season. Hoeness said the keeper situation was the beginning of the end of LVG's time (and that LVG created unnecessary trouble: fix thing that works while neglecting some immediate problem). Valdez was supposed to know the philosophy was able to fall out with LVG and his coaching team. DDG had a stunning performance vs a Watford away, but in the post match LVG criticized his ball distribution...

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...irt-last-gasp-win-Watford-Premier-League-News

He doesnt mention de gea's distribution distribution even once. All he does is mention that he made some saves and gomes also made some saves too.

The rest your part is pretty irrelevant. He did have a GK issue then but in no other club. That to me shows that that was a one off than a regular event. You are reaching,

Valdes left because of his attitude. Nothing else.

 

[ti vu]

You say he didnt rate 2 players that he played almost every game they were fit for. He even made Smalling the third captain. He quite clearly rated smalling pretty highly. Same with DDG. Its not that he tried to replace any of the other players you mentioned but they claimed he didnt treat them like stars they deserved to be. Ribery also critiscized Guardiola couple of months back.



Thats because both of these are completely different situations De Gea wanted to leave for Madrid. We put our foot down and said we arent dependent on him (even though we were).Our indication was to show that "you stay here without extending your contract, we have no problem in benching you for the next year' with Euro 2016 coming close. It meant he cant just run down his contract but had to either move or sign a new contract. Im pretty sure that is the main reason he signed a new contract too. That was a good move imo. Why should we treat the PoTY with respect and not vice versa?

Its a ploy to not show weakness. In mourinho's case, the situation was different. DDG was on a long contract and Zidane seemed content with Navas. Its easier to keep him then.



http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...irt-last-gasp-win-Watford-Premier-League-News

He doesnt mention de gea's distribution distribution even once. All he does is mention that he made some saves and gomes also made some saves too.

The rest your part is pretty irrelevant. He did have a GK issue then but in no other club. That to me shows that that was a one off than a regular event. You are reaching,

Valdes left because of his attitude. Nothing else.

Let's agree to disagree.

Already explained every points: Jones was supposed to be first choice RCB into LVG's second until injury despite Smalling finished the first strongly. Sergio Ramos chase.

You can throw Herrera into the mix in LVG's first season. It's more about his hand being forced. When he has his preferred option, he would go with Bastian despite he allowed Bastian to let his fitness went wild.

Kroos can say hi too to some extend. LVG didn't fancy him at much. Didn't bother to attempt to make contact after Moyes spent the time scouting Kroos all season.

Enke, Butt vs Kraft, Cillessen was not first choice for Holland until his competitor at both Ajax and NT. It's well known LVG and his team wanted To assess the squad, blocking progress of DDG's contract renewal. There are several factor in DDG wanted to leave for Madrid, but this is he big root. Madrid didn't want to pay hefty for GK. Had he sealed his contract around the time LVG arrived, there would be no talk the next summer.

Have you watched Valdez in the reserve games? If he can claim our starting XI at that time, then Bobby Charlton can still play better football than Rooney. There are reasons Valdez was asked to play reserve games, which leads to Valdez negative reaction. The root of the problem again is not Valdez attitude to begin with.

That's not the full post match interview. I'll pass from digging old game from LVG era since it's a pain in the ass. But you can ask many posters here to recall, LVG often insisted to give praise to DDG after some superb performance, but quite quick to point point error.

Let's give this a rest.

 

[prath92]

Let's agree to disagree.

Already explained every points: Jones was supposed to be first choice RCB into LVG's second until injury despite Smalling finished the first strongly. Sergio Ramos chase.

You can throw Herrera into the mix in LVG's first season. It's more about his hand being forced. When he has his preferred option, he would go with Bastian despite he allowed Bastian to let his fitness went wild.

Kroos can say hi too to some extend. LVG didn't fancy him at much. Didn't bother to attempt to make contact after Moyes spent the time scouting Kroos all season.

Enke, Butt vs Kraft, Cillessen was not first choice for Holland until his competitor at both Ajax and NT. It's well known LVG and his team wanted To assess the squad, blocking progress of DDG's contract renewal. There are several factor in DDG wanted to leave for Madrid, but this is he big root. Madrid didn't want to pay hefty for GK. Had he sealed his contract around the time LVG arrived, there would be no talk the next summer.

Have you watched Valdez in the reserve games? If he can claim our starting XI at that time, then Bobby Charlton can still play better football than Rooney. There are reasons Valdez was asked to play reserve games, which leads to Valdez negative reaction. The root of the problem again is not Valdez attitude to begin with.

That's not the full post match interview. I'll pass from digging old game from LVG era since it's a pain in the ass. But you can ask many posters here to recall, LVG often insisted to give praise to DDG after some superb performance, but quite quick to point point error.

Let's give this a rest.

Ramos was supposed to be our LCB, a ball playing CB. Quite clearly to replace Blind. Jones also had an excellent finish to the season.

You are seeing issues where there are none. DDG played every single game in 14/15 and after signing his contract played every single PL game he was fit for in 15/16.

Valdes' attitude is definitely the root of the problem. People close to the club on this forum has acknowledged that multiple times. He refused to play for the reserves and thats why he fell out. Not becacuse of anything else.

Plus I can't remember any instance where LvG blamed DDG in any post match interviews. That watford game there is no critiscism anout his distribution at all.

Spoiler: post match interview

he has praised him on many ocassions, off the top of my head, the 3-0 win vs liverpool at home, he 3-1 win vs liverpool at home, the chelsea game in 15/16 at SB.

please stop making up stuff.

 

[ti vu]

Ramos was supposed to be our LCB, a ball playing CB. Quite clearly to replace Blind. Jones also had an excellent finish to the season.

You are seeing issues where there are none. DDG played every single game in 14/15 and after signing his contract played every single PL game he was fit for in 15/16.

Valdes' attitude is definitely the root of the problem. People close to the club on this forum has acknowledged that multiple times. He refused to play for the reserves and thats why he fell out. Not becacuse of anything else.

Plus I can't remember any instance where LvG blamed DDG in any post match interviews. That watford game there is no critiscism anout his distribution at all.

Spoiler: post match interview

he has praised him on many ocassions, off the top of my head, the 3-0 win vs liverpool at home, he 3-1 win vs liverpool at home, the chelsea game in 15/16 at SB.

please stop making up stuff.

Please stop self entitlement and do some more digging. Start with the Ramos to see where evidence show LVG would play him. Hint: strong foot fetish.

 

[prath92]

Please stop self entitlement and do some more digging. Start with the Ramos to see where evidence show LVG would play him. Hint: strong foot fetish.

sorry if i sounded condescending. Just annoyed at work here . sorry

 

[ti vu]

sorry if i sounded condescending. Just annoyed at work here . sorry

No worry.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/manchester...sm-david-de-gea-despite-liverpool-win-1519608

Just one examples of many if digging deep enough.

 

[devilish]

The amount of crappy players we've got on long term contracts is frightening

 

[top1whoisman]

Didnt TFM sign a new contract not too long ago?

Fosu mensah signed a 4 year extension in August didn't he?

Apparently it was not done but according to The Sun (I know) he's about to sign a new 4-year contract worth £5,2m or £25k/w.

 

[The United]

sorry if i sounded condescending. Just annoyed at work here . sorry

Well, can't blame you when you have to argue with people who made some shits up though.

People saying LVG and his gang were 'ok' with DDG going to madrid.. LOL seriously?

And LVG had one of the best goalkeeping coaches in the world and yeah they couldn't see how good DDG was and can be.

Also, DDG was in his best conditions for 2 years under LVG. Even his form has been pretty meh this season.

DDG singing 4 + 1 contract was all about evil lord LVG. Nothing to do with the player himself of course.

 

[top1whoisman]

Johnstone gets a new contract ’til 2018 with another optional year.

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[MancunianAngels]

Johnstone gets a new contract ’til 2018 with another optional year.

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So we can get a transfer fee for him?

 

[top1whoisman]

So we can get a transfer fee for him?

Doubt we’d do that for 1-2m.

 

[top1whoisman]

YES!

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[top1whoisman]

Looks like there won’t be a Mata extension until the summer (MEN):

Juan Mata will not make a decision on his Manchester United future until the end of the season.

The Spanish midfielder has 19 months left to run on the Old Trafford contract he signed when he made his £37.1m move to United from Chelsea in January 2014.

There has been speculation that United were dragging their heels over getting into the normal discussions over a new deal at this stage before a renewal was due.

The club, however, are relaxed over the issue with Mata's contract, having a one-year option drawn up into it.

Mata's future looked grim when Jose Mourinho took charge in the summer having been sold by the ex-Chelsea boss to the Reds during their time together at Stamford Bridge. But the midfielder is a regular in Mourinho's United side.

However, Mata is not prepared to consider his next stage of his career until this season closes.

His father, Juan Mata senior, has said: “This season we have entered a new path with Mourinho.

“However, at the end of the season we will sit down and evaluate our future more seriously,” the United player's father told Turkish newspaper Fanatik.

 

[psychdelicblues]

Saw this in the telegraph, seems to have gone bit under the radar.

Although the £300,000 a week contract that Rooney signed with United in February 2014 was publicised as being 5½ years, the Daily Telegraph understands that the deal was for 4½ years with the option of another 12 months that the club or player could trigger.

It means Rooney, 31, will only have a guaranteed year to run on his contract from next summer.

Any truth in this or just wishful thinking?

 

[Skills]

Saw this in the telegraph, seems to have gone bit under the radar.



Any truth in this or just wishful thinking?

Might be some truth to it. All of our contracts in recent years have been with the club option of an extra year, I'm guessing due to the Hargreaves debacle. But Rooney had the club and Moyes by the balls, so he might've got out of it.

 

[DWelbz19]

The player can trigger it - does that mean even if the club want him out he can stay for that additional year?

 

[yumtum]

Why would we sign Mata for our record sum only to have him on a four year contract? Surely we have an option of another year like most of our contracts?

 

[Skills]

Why would we sign Mata for our record sum only to have him on a four year contract? Surely we have an option of another year like most of our contracts?

It would've been for 4.5 years because it was a Jan signing.

 

[top1whoisman]

Why would we sign Mata for our record sum only to have him on a four year contract? Surely we have an option of another year like most of our contracts?

Perhaps Mata and his agent didn’t want an optional year in the contract?

 

[yumtum]

Perhaps Mata and his agent didn’t want an optional year in the contract?

Do you think the club would have allowed a record signing to dictate the length of contract he signs? It's be like us saying to Pogba that he can sign a 3 year contract.

@Skills that actually makes a lot of sense to be fair.

 

[wolvored]

There was something about Mata on News Now that said he may not sign another contract and join Fenerbache in 2018.

 

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[SirAF]

There was something about Mata on News Now that said he may not sign another contract and join Fenerbache in 2018.

Fenerbache

 

[top1whoisman]

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[top1whoisman]

Carrick and someone else (Lingard?) getting new contracts or is he talking about the OT expansion..? Anyway, Carrick, Zlatan, Lingard (the caf will go into meltdown) & Mata will hopefully get new contracts soon. Other than that, we're in a good situation contract-wise.

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[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Mata surely.

 

[Damien]

Carrick and someone else (Lingard?) getting new contracts or is he talking about the OT expansion..? Anyway, Carrick, Zlatan, Lingard (the caf will go into meltdown) & Mata will hopefully get new contracts soon. Other than that, we're in a good situation contract-wise.

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ffs @Feeky Magee

Don't think announcements will be contract related. Might be to do with safe standing?

 

[Feeky Magee]

ffs @Feeky Magee

Don't think announcements will be contract related. Might be to do with safe standing?

sorry @Glazers don't sue please

 

[top1whoisman]

2020+1

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[shamans]

Wayne Rooney
AM/CF
30

2019

Newspaper at the time.... "Moyes revealed on Friday how he persuaded the England striker to stay at Old Trafford during a secret meeting in June".

DAMN YOU MOYES!!!!!!!

Stop being silly. At the time we all agree with his decision and in the disastrous Moyes season Roony and DDG were the only players that played well.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Stop being silly. At the time we all agree with his decision and in the disastrous Moyes season Roony and DDG were the only players that played well.

Have you just gone back to September to quote a post?! ....

Stalker alert, stalker alert!!

P.S. "we" didn't "all" agree..... I wanted him out when he asked for a transfer and would never have given someone that old that length of contract. If you love Rooney, good for you.

Sorry for being silly..... Dad. (I'm really going to get told off now?)

 

[top1whoisman]

Hope this gets sorted quickly.

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Although at the time he signed in 2014, the contract was said to be 4+1. Perhaps the optional year was something that would be triggered if he plays a certain number of games before a certain date or something, and thus hasn't been used.

 

[wolvored]

Hope this gets sorted quickly.

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Although at the time he signed in 2014, the contract was said to be 4+1. Perhaps the optional year was something that would be triggered if he plays a certain number of games before a certain date or something, and thus hasn't been used.

Maybe Mourinho has an upgrade in mind.

 

[top1whoisman]

Maybe Mourinho has an upgrade in mind.

Well you need a squad to win trophies.

 

[R'hllor]

Well you need a squad to win trophies.

He doesnt use squad.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

He will be 28 next summer. A new 3 year extension would be about right and can't see why we wouldn't.

 

[top1whoisman]

He doesnt use squad.

Fellaini has played plenty this year, for a start. One could say that he's not a starting player in either 4-2-3-1 nor 4-3-3. All of our wingers have played quite close to same anount of matches.