Dan Ashworth - Newcastle DoF currently tending to his garden

c gull

New Member
Newbie
Joined
May 23, 2022
Messages
30
Supports
Brighton
I can't help but feel Chelsea are being ridiculous trying to replace the previous guy already. He didn't just suddenly become shit at his job, and was more experienced and successful in the role at Brighton than Jewell currently is.

Just sums them up.
More like they want to be Brighton.
 

c gull

New Member
Newbie
Joined
May 23, 2022
Messages
30
Supports
Brighton
I don’t understand this “access to secrets” notion. At worst it’s a young player or two that Newcastle have identified, hardly something that the manager should even comment on.
I bet every DOF will have the same list of players and their attributes, its not the list its what you do with list and calculate if the player is right for you. This is where the Algorithms come in to play and hiw Star Lizard use it for Brighton. This works for them as we are shopping in a completly different pond to you. We are looking a youngsters to develope then sell on for a big fee.
What are your new owners going to look for, instant Success or a few years of stability, a few trophies and being possible City challengers, signing some unknown kids for the future then becoming seriouse PL contenders.
 

OleGunnar20

Full Member
Joined
Dec 18, 2018
Messages
2,207
I’m fairly sure the article is hinting more at his work ethos, methodology and attention to detail, rather than the value of his laptop.

Otherwise a good old fashioned heist would do the job.

A potential Guy Ritchie flick produced by Netflix, where John Murtough (played by Cary Elwes) gets a rag tag bunch of Manchester United misfits to steal Dan Ashworths laptop in order to save all their jobs. A team made up of a broody Frenchman (Martial), an old school no nonsense Scotsman (McTominay), an over the hill Englishman (Maguire), a working class, hip gangsta wannabe (Sancho), and a hapless tag along Dutchman (Donny Van der Beek), all accompanied by a wise cracking hottie, rolling her eyes at their incompetent attempts at espionage (Rachel Riley). In their desperation to navigate the world of “Big Football” and get inside the mind of the football executive, they seek out the guidance of a former “top operator” now on the outside; Ed Woodward (played by Tobey Jones).
I'd like to invest everything I own into the making of this film please, with one caveat - LVG has to be involved. I don't care how, just get him in.
 

Suv666

Full Member
Joined
Feb 11, 2016
Messages
8,791
I don’t understand this “access to secrets” notion. At worst it’s a young player or two that Newcastle have identified, hardly something that the manager should even comment on.
Reckon its more to do on transfers strategies, they way they plan on building the team, what the next 5 years look like and probably transfer targets as well, he must know in and out every player Newcastle has its eye on, not just the primary but secondary and tertiary targets as well, not to mention an idea on what kind of budget would Newcastle be operating on in the future.

That’s a whole lot of state secrets in the hand of a competitor.
 

alexthelion

Full Member
Joined
Sep 7, 2019
Messages
3,625
You're being pedantic. A couple does not always mean two in colloquial language. You can Google it.
:eek:

From Google.

"So, the bottom line seems to be this: “a couple” is typically interpreted with some precision to mean “two.”
 

croadyman

Full Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2018
Messages
34,914
There seems to be a feeling that this will pick up pace next week. Without doubt the biggest obstacle is likely to be agreeing compensation figure
 

VP89

Pogba's biggest fan
Joined
Dec 6, 2015
Messages
31,863
:eek:

From Google.

"So, the bottom line seems to be this: “a couple” is typically interpreted with some precision to mean “two.”
Also from Google :
Is a couple 3 or 4?
A couple most strictly means two, but it's often used casually to mean much the same thing as a few, which commonly means around two, three, or four.

Again, no need to be pedantic.
 

AneRu

Full Member
Joined
Jul 28, 2019
Messages
3,187
I bet every DOF will have the same list of players and their attributes, its not the list its what you do with list and calculate if the player is right for you. This is where the Algorithms come in to play and hiw Star Lizard use it for Brighton. This works for them as we are shopping in a completly different pond to you. We are looking a youngsters to develope then sell on for a big fee.
What are your new owners going to look for, instant Success or a few years of stability, a few trophies and being possible City challengers, signing some unknown kids for the future then becoming seriouse PL contenders.
Yeah if an average fan with WiFi at home knows about young players in Brazil/Argentina then a professional DOF or any scout at PL level certainly does and knows a lot more than we can imagine, with contacts to the said players etc. The usefulness of a DOF lies in creating an environment where good scouting results into actual signings and the impact of those signings is felt on the pitch and financially.

I don't doubt that the scouts we had knew about the players, we were in for Caicedo, but they didn't have anyone powerful enough to push th boat out for those signings and we also didn't, still don't, have the environment where such young lads can grow and thrive, see Hanibal and Amad.

To build a team you can't and shouldn't be looking at £100m signings. It should be a balance between the Mainoos/Rashfords, the Brunos, the Eriksens and the Malacias. You should be able to get starters or contenders for 10m, your academy should be producing potential starts often enough and your big signings should work. We spent over 150m on Antony and Sancho but not even one of them has delivered an anything to a remotely acceptable standard.

It's both the internal environment as in how geared is it towards supporting young players settling in a new environment and growing into adulthood and the talent identification processes. I wouldn't, for example, trust a manager's view on a player over a full time scout. Throughout the season the manager is focused on first team results and maintaining squad harmony, how then does he get the time to go into detail about a player in Germany?

Basically his challenge is to improve our value for money rating at first team level. If we are to have the biggest wage bill in English football it should also translate into football achievements.
 

Adnan

Talent Spotter
Joined
Oct 5, 2013
Messages
29,893
Location
England
The way he was talking I kind of get the impression Howe has the power in the club.
Dan Ashworth is only DoF by name at Newcastle. The power when it comes to recruitment decisions lies with Eddie Howe and his nephew, who is the club's technical scout and is said to have the final say on who is signed. It's why I believe it's extremely important for a DoF to be in-sync with the manager/head coach or things will get messy.





From the link above: "Ashworth has never been admitted to Howe’s inner circle. The former Norwich apprentice has not established the closeness with Howe he experienced with, among others, Gareth Southgate at the FA, West Brom’s Tony Mowbray and Brighton’s Graham Potter."

"It is a misnomer to regard him primarily as some sort of super talent-identifier. Certainly at Newcastle, Howe, whose nephew Andy Howe is head of technical scouting, has the last word on transfers and Ashworth’s role has been to handle the latter stages of negotiations and ensure deals are completed."
 

Nero

Full Member
Joined
Dec 23, 2008
Messages
3,299
A £60m transfer for a sporting director. Okay, Samuel.
 

Berbaclass

Fallen Muppet. Lest we never forget
Joined
Jan 23, 2010
Messages
39,331
Location
Cooper Station
From the Sun

MANCHESTER UNITED are ready to upset Chelsea with a move for chief analyst Kyle Macaulay.

Dan Ashworth is set to take the reins as sporting director at Old Trafford, bringing in a new support team — and former Brighton scout Macaulay is on his wishlist.

The Scot went to Chelsea when the Blues appointed ex-Seagulls boss Graham Potter and is still at the club but United will come calling for him shortly.

Ashworth, who is being poached from Newcastle, wants an experienced head of recruitment and will also be looking at increasing his staff, with Macaulay a key appointment.

United have also set up a move for Ipswich technical director Sam Williams to join them and find emerging talent, as we first revealed.

Meanwhile, Eddie Howe’s power at Newcastle will be tested as the Toon look to replace Ashworth.

Howe is a big fan of former Bournemouth ally Richard Hughes.

But the Geordies’ Saudi Arabian owners are keen to look around for alternatives and may not want a key appointment who is so close to the manager.

Howe was in a stronger position to have an input a few months ago when the possibility first came to light but recent results have weakened that.

Several names have been discussed and Brighton talent spotter Sam Jewell is fancied in some quarters
 

LawCharltonBest

Enjoys watching fox porn
Joined
May 17, 2012
Messages
15,475
Location
Salford
:lol::houllier:

@Swedish_Plumber
Clearly has no idea
A £60m transfer for a sporting director. Okay, Samuel.
Or you know, invite him to the local Turkish embassy. fecking plonkers.
Useless writer :lol:
Not surprised to see this clown flapping his gums. I see he’s crawled out of City’s arse for 5 minutes to suck up to Newcastle’s regime.
Imagine this angry fat twat bashing away at his typewriter churning out that shite.
He’s incredibly bitter towards all things Utd. Absolute hack.
How has he been paid to write that? What an idiot.
His son is employed by Manchester City

That is literally all you need to know about it. Ignore
 

RORY65

Full Member
Joined
May 28, 2009
Messages
4,548
How has he been paid to write that? What an idiot.
He hates FFP, he sees it as the historically big clubs here and in Europe trying to suppress the ambitions of plucky underdogs like Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi and Roman Abramovich so they can have it all their own way, and therefore roots for the likes of Newcastle, City and Chelsea to stick it to clubs like United whenever they can. Including by somehow asking for £60m for a director of football whose influence is apparently somewhat limited at Newcastle.

He has a point that it's probably unfair that we've managed to remain a top 6/7 club for the last decade despite being completely incompetent, the reality is a club that has got so many things wrong should face bigger jeopardy than maybe finishing 8th or 9th one year, but his solution of just letting nation states or oligarchs do whatever they like to shake up the status-quo is insane and would only make things less competitive.