Honestly I think Rashford has the pace ahead of Welbeck for us and thats about it. I refused to get carried away on the Rashford hype, he's only 19 and unproven. Welbeck put in some terrific performances for us and his general work rate and strength was far superior.
Pretty obvious a 26 year old player would show more strength than a very inexperienced 19 year old player. At the same stage of development, I'd have Rashford as the better player. How he turns out as a player is completely down to his attitude and Jose' desire to utilise him to his strengths. Playing him as an impact winger isn't going to do him any favours long term.
He 'should' have replaced Zlat in quite a few games and started a few to allow him rest. He can be effective on the wing, but it's really not an ideal situation for him. At least he's getting regular gametime and loves the club.
Rashford hasn't shown enough to justify that at all. People used to completely overhype Welbeck and many of our academy products too and look where it led them.
Welbeck didn't play for us at 26. He was of stronger build at a younger age and burst onto the scene around about the same stage in his career. I think Rashford has better pace but he's certainly not "turning out to be everything Welbeck could have been". He's still quite unproven, and still too raw to even suggest he's "one of the best striking talents in the world" as @Vito Corleone put it.
It's not just us who believe that though. Rashford wasn't far off the golden boy award.
So what? He had a good breakthrough season. If you want potentially world class you should watch the likes of Dembele and Mbappe, and Martial last year. Rashford has shown nothing near the level of those.
That's irrelevant. He has shown much more than welbeck had around the same period.
If you read the previous posts you'll see I'm not discussing it in the context of Welbeck.
Its a weird one, he played in the FA Cup against southampton. Then didnt see him again for ages. And now theyve had 2 weeks off. And didnt look like he was huffing and puffing or struggling. It seemed more tactical esp with Giroud coming off as well.
Well, he has. He was starting as a central striker for Manchester United at the age of 18. At 19, he's a regular squad player under Jose Mourinho. It'd take a pretty ludicrous argument to argue against Rashford being one of the most promising 'striking talents' in European football.
For a brief period he was after he burst on to the scene, and now he's struggling this season.
Well, European football, world football, they're two of the same. Just because Rashford has played the majority of the season out wide and the goals have dried up doesn't negate his previous achievements. Nor does it negate the aesthetics of his game. There aren't many, if any, teenage strikers with a CV like Rashford's. Nor is there many with so much pace, power and natural ability. So, yeah, I think the initial point stands quite nicely.
Personally I'd prefer to not set silly expectations for our youngsters given our recent track record. If Rashford goes on to even be a really good PL level striker I'll be delighted, it'll still be a lot better than anything we've churned out in a long time. Plus I'm not sure how anyone can say he looks as talented as the likes of Martial, Dembele, or Mbappe. And no I don't watch the obscure leagues, I assume you don't either so it's kinda irrelevant.
The Manchester United sides he's been a part of haven't played like Manchester United sides should though. He was actually starting and is currently playing for a team deservedly outside the PL top four, which is quite a bit less impresssive.
What expectations? I don't know what Rashford will achieve. I can only make a judgement based on what we've seen so far. And given that he's 19 years old, is extremely exciting and is already a big part of the Manchester United squad, he's quite clearly one of the most talented young strikers around. That doesn't mean he is as talented as Martial, or Dembele, or the other Dembele, or Mbappe. But it does put him in a very talented bracket of exciting young forwards.
, I'm going to bed I can't do this, he'll be better than Ibra soon enough, all he has to do is stay injuredYou mean the 26y/o guy that has scored 15 goals in 53 games for Arsenal is a far better striker than the 19 y/o that has scored 15 in 54 for Manchester United?
I'd rather have Welbeck than 2016/17 Rooney,Lingard or Young. Was gutted when we sold him.
Just like welbeck hopefully non of those 3 will be part of the squad next season
There is not much difference in quality between Lingard and Welbeck, and in any case, all three of Rooney, Lingard and Young are bit part players.
There is a big gap between Lingard and Welbeck in my opinion. Welbeck is much better.
I do not agree. They are both very average players who can do a job as squad players, nothing more than that.
Whilst I do not disagree with you I think there is a massive gulf between both players.
How about goals per minute?
Welbeck also has better heading and much better work rate.
Agreed. I was devastated when Welbeck left. Can't say the same on Lingard.
Any news on how long he's out for?
Not sure about heading, but yeah I concede work rate. It is immense and he does follow instructions to the letter. I'm sure Jose would've loved him for that.
Apparently now its to be some sort of illness. Weird. No further details.
