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I wasn't talking about yesterday's game, but his overall season in general.Ffs. He wasnt even playing as a striker.
And, Welbeck gets in the box enough to be not classified as a striker.
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I wasn't talking about yesterday's game, but his overall season in general.Ffs. He wasnt even playing as a striker.
He's been criticised week in, week out for his goals return...how is that being swept under the carpet?He's been disappointing this year, which of course will get swept under the carpet because he's a youth product. 1 goal in 15 appearances is poor.
To be fair every week he is praised massively, with a caveat regarding his finishing. It's almost taken as red that he can't finish his dinner, but that this will improve. I wouldn't say it's being swept under the carpet, but it seems to be an accepted fact, rather than something receiving large amounts of criticism.He's been criticised week in, week out for his goals return...how is that being swept under the carpet?
That's not strange really.It's the same as looking great in training but freezing or thinking about it too much in a competitive situation.You have learn to rely on your instincts.He does the skilkful stuff around the last 3rd because there's no real risk but when in front of a goal he isn't taking the same chanceThe strange thing about Welbeck is that he gets in so many good positions - he works so hard - it's almost strange taht he doesn't score goals. With some strikers you can clearly see that they lack confidence - but some of the things he does in the pitch oozes confidence. And then he gets in a good position - and makes a mess of it.
Should have gone to specsavers mate!i'll actually say it now. He did not have a very good game. He was okay. That's it.
Probably because i haven't bothered to read the threads.He's been criticised week in, week out for his goals return...how is that being swept under the carpet?
I'm one of these strange people who expects strikers to do something in the box. Even if he's not going to put a shot on goal, he had two chances to make easy passes for goals. He did neither.Should have gone to specsavers mate!
He wasnt playing striker yesterday, more a wide forwardI'm one of these strange people who expects strikers to do something in the box. Even if he's not going to put a shot on goal, he had two chances to make easy passes for goals. He did neither.
It stood out.
So, just okay.
Right. But he's a striker, not a mid-fielder. If he's a mid-fielder, I'm going to judge him differently. He's on the pitch to score goals.Just think that the team seems to play more fluidly going forward when he's in the side as he opens up so much space.
Great. He's still on the pitch to score goals.He wasnt playing striker yesterday, more a wide forward
Right. But he's a striker, not a mid-fielder. If he's a mid-fielder, I'm going to judge him differently. He's on the pitch to score goals.
He's quite good as a mid-fielder.
Make up your mindGreat. He's still on the pitch to score goals.
Make up my mind from the two different posts that say the same thing: He's on the pitch to score goalsMake up your mind
One would hope that he might get a goal but he was there to open up play and stretch Spurs as much as anything (that in itself is a tactical play). Welbeck played well yesterday which is why i disagreed with your post. You seem to be saying that if you dont score a goal then you may as well not have been on the pitch!
So if you dont score, you dont count?Make up my mind from the two different posts that say the same thing: He's on the pitch to score goals
Okay.
I'll say it again, he's on the pitch to score goals.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. You nailed it. Spot on.So if you dont score, you dont count?
Dont be sarcastic with me fellaYeah, that's exactly what I was saying. You nailed it. Spot on.
As I've said repeatedly, he was average. Because he didn't perform well in the box. You don't get to be great if you're supposed to be scoring or setting up goals and you don't.Can you not admit that Welbeck played well yesterday?
That seems pretty fair to me.As I've said repeatedly, he was average. Because he didn't perform well in the box. You don't get to be great if you're supposed to be scoring or setting up goals and you don't.
Pretty much end of discussion for me. I'd rather he played against the lower half of the table teams because Hernandez, Rooney and Van Persie are all capable of scoring against big teams. Right now Welbeck is not. And yesterday he didn't make a couple of easy passes that should have been goals.
So, no, Average display.
Why would you want to put it that way?I dont recall him having any chances to score yesterday
lets put it another way, how would Chico do if he was playing left wing?
So am I. And its frustrating that his game seems to have largely plateaued this year. He needs to make better decisions in terms of going for goal, which he may or may not be able to learn over time.That seems pretty fair to me.
I'm a big Welbeck fan and have defended his goal scoring, but those two easy cut backs he missed yesterday do to a large extent ruin what he did outside the box. They were crucial moments and he has the ability to do better in those situations, so for the first time I agree with the criticism.
Some players are born finishers - others have to work harder at it. It is, for me the difference between really top strikers and the rest.That's not strange really.It's the same as looking great in training but freezing or thinking about it too much in a competitive situation.You have learn to rely on your instincts.He does the skilkful stuff around the last 3rd because there's no real risk but when in front of a goal he isn't taking the same chance
Strange question gb.lets put it another way, how would Chico do if he was playing left wing?
There was one earlyish in the second half where he should he played it back to Kagawa inside the box but tried to play it across the box instead where it was blocked.easy passes? when was this then?
Ah ok, far from obvious. I thought you were asking how Chico would do on the left wing.I would have thought it was obvious. Welbeck is taking flak for not scoring. Yet he played out of position on the left wing.
As I said earlier, I don't think it's a simple case of he needs to improve it, I don't think there's much to improve. I think technically he's a very good finisher, his goal for England against Belgium (I think) his one against Sweden and goals against City in the FA Cup show that.Some players are born finishers - others have to work harder at it. It is, for me the difference between really top strikers and the rest.
Welbeck is a great athlete, strong, quick and direct. He offers something different. I personally doubt whether he'll ever make it at the very top level and be a genuine first choice at United, but he's certainly a very valuable player.
Hopefully he improves his finishing and can give Fergie a real headache in terms of selection.
That makes the whole "[it] of course will get swept under the carpet because he's a youth product" a bit of a strange blind criticism then.Probably because i haven't bothered to read the threads.
Personally I was more bothered by the couple of occasions he could have cut it back for a pretty simple finish for somebody.I would have thought it was obvious. Welbeck is taking flak for not scoring. Yet he played out of position on the left wing.
He played a huge part in setting up our goal.As I've said repeatedly, he was average. Because he didn't perform well in the box. You don't get to be great if you're supposed to be scoring or setting up goals and you don't.
Pretty much end of discussion for me. I'd rather he played against the lower half of the table teams because Hernandez, Rooney and Van Persie are all capable of scoring against big teams. Right now Welbeck is not. And yesterday he didn't make a couple of easy passes that should have been goals.
So, no, Average display.
Right. But he's a striker, not a mid-fielder. If he's a mid-fielder, I'm going to judge him differently. He's on the pitch to score goals.
He's quite good as a mid-fielder.
Have you considered that perhaps SAF doesn't put Welbeck on the pitch to score goals?Great. He's still on the pitch to score goals.
At what point will supporters accept that Welbeck playing on the wing isn't him being out of position? He's an excellent forward, he's not a striker. Welbeck isn't on the pitch to score goals; it'd be great if he could add that to his game, composure in front of goal is something he lacks for sure, but he isn't a striker and his contribution to the team regardless of a lack of goalscoring is immense. He plays as a defender high up the pitch, such is his work rate when the opponent is in possession of the ball, his link up play with ourselves in possession is very good; he's not the best passer in the team, but again, with his work rate he's always available to receive the ball anywhere on the pitch upon which he's highly adept at control in close quarters, he both wins and keeps posssion. He's powerful when running with the ball at his feet, shrugging off and through challenges as he drives forward; he needs to learn to get his head up and spot the pass a bit quicker in these situations, but also his team mates need to anticipate his dribbling better; often Welbeck will run with the ball into a great position to find that nobody has come with him or made themselves available for the final ball. Overall, Welbeck is having a great season imo; goals would be a bonus, but even without them, to criticise him would be to not understand the game.I would have thought it was obvious. Welbeck is taking flak for not scoring. Yet he played out of position on the left wing.
Welbeck has scored at the Etihad, at the Emirates, against Spurs and against Chelsea (for Sunderland).As I've said repeatedly, he was average. Because he didn't perform well in the box. You don't get to be great if you're supposed to be scoring or setting up goals and you don't.
Pretty much end of discussion for me. I'd rather he played against the lower half of the table teams because Hernandez, Rooney and Van Persie are all capable of scoring against big teams. Right now Welbeck is not. And yesterday he didn't make a couple of easy passes that should have been goals.
So, no, Average display.