Better stay quiet then. If you couldn't see the difference in our play last year when Welbeck was starting, or just few months ago in preseason games when we looked like far better team when Welbeck was starter unlike in those one or two games whch he didn't start because of injury and which "coincidently" were our worst performances then you'll never get it anyway.
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So the posts have changed from "he's potentially prolific when playing as a striker, see the 5 selectively chosen games where he scored 5 times..." to "he is one of maybe 5 attacking players in the world who doesn't have to score or assist because his other attributes make up for it".
The last time I saw this kind of revisionism and blatant lack of objectivity was the Kagawa thread last season. Also, comparisons to Muller? Even after all the work he does for the team he still scores/assists nearly 1 in 2. What's Welbeck - 1 in 4?
He's as much Thomas Muller as Antonio Valencia is.
The last time I saw this kind of revisionism and blatant lack of objectivity was the Kagawa thread last season. Also, comparisons to Muller? Even after all the work he does for the team he still scores/assists nearly 1 in 2. What's Welbeck - 1 in 4?
He's as much Thomas Muller as Antonio Valencia is.
The biggest thing he's ever brought is energy. His actual play is nothing special at all.
It is a very bad comparison IMO. Muller is - in my opinion - the most intelligient player I have ever seen (and have said this a few years ago here) while Welbeck looks quite dumb (I am talking on footballing aspect, Welbeck has the tendency of making all the times the wrong decision). Muller is always on the right place, while Welbeck never is. Muller is a natural goalscorer, while Welbeck can't score.
I even think that the Henry comparison (which was batshit crazy) is a far better comparison than the Muller comparison.
You forgot to mention that he's quite good at FIFA too (is he?)
I meant the comparison isn't a bad one because Welbeck's best position is in a wide forward position.
That is the only similarity which they have though. And share that similarity with thousands of other players.
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Some people just won't admit when they're wrong...
Some people just won't admit when they're wrong...
Both are hard working players too. And good dribblers.
Come to think of it, he's more of Ji-Sung Park.
Priceless, people talking about how we were far better with him in the side during pre season. Just hilarious rubbish. As someone above said, people can't admit when they're wrong. Proving himself to be an OK squad player, as a lot of us said. Nothing more.
United born and bred. Really good if he can do well at Arsenal. The only problem is that he is at our direct rival.
He is still 24 and may still come back one day. Hopefully at his peak, and for free (he'll be 28 when his contract ends I think).
He is still 24 and may still come back one day. Hopefully at his peak, and for free (he'll be 28 when his contract ends I think).
Proven the 'haters' correct. A decent player who is not prolific enough to be a striker and not all that great in other positions... but he contributes with his energy and some link up play.
Those who have let their hearts rule their minds this summer and turned him into an amazing footballer when he was sold to Arsenal... you can unbookmark this thread now, he isn't going to score 20 premier league goals so that you can 'I told you so' us in here.
Not a great loss as a footballer to us.
Those who have let their hearts rule their minds this summer and turned him into an amazing footballer when he was sold to Arsenal... you can unbookmark this thread now, he isn't going to score 20 premier league goals so that you can 'I told you so' us in here.
Not a great loss as a footballer to us.
I have to agree with this 100%. Yes he does contribute to the attacking play as he opens up space for other attackers and makes good runs. This is where I suppose the comparison to Müller comes from. However, his below average technique in everything from first touch, balance, ball control more than outweighs any good he brings. A good player needs to have above average technique and he simply doesn't.
Pre-season football means feck all tbh. Welbeck is a good player at his best and in general is really average. Not enough productivity for a player his type, not enough goals, assists, dangerous passes.
Park comparison is decent. Hardworking players who can be ussed efficiently on pitbull job. Welbeck is better technically though while Park was a more intelligent player.
Pre-season football in which some of the opposition were playing with a week or less of training, while we had started training earlier. It's annoying that it is brought up by VG and others as a sign of our achievement.
Sorry I have to laugh cause you're basing your opinion on preseason games.
And we didnt look better with him or worse without him then although as @kouroux said preseason means feck all.
Even if all the teams had the same fitness levels and preparation, it still is preseason therefore the motivation and pressure levels will never reach the same of competitive football. Was the last summer or the one before that we had a great preseason but still started the season very slowly ?
We had a great pre-season last summer where even 3-5-2 looked pretty good but we then started slowly. Last year we had a terrible pre-season and still proceeded to start the season slowly. The moral of the story is don't look into pre-season too much beyond fitness.
I wasn't comparing our preseason games with competitive games, I was comparing just between all preseason games, so it's a valid point. I like how everyone ignored the comparision about last season, probably because it doesn't suit people's agenda because they know it's true.
Personally think it was the MK Dons match that Van Gaal really remembers the most about Welbeck, not pre-season. No surprise all our attacking players from that night are either sold or practically out the door.
Some people are starting to clutch at straws here.
Yeah if we expand on the definition of attacking players then yeah Evans looks gone as well. Ruthless indeed.
And that's more or less everyone. The rest of the starters don't have future with you either.
Think you're on something here.
I agree with this.
His touch and strength on the ball when carrying it in the middle third of the pitch make him look unplayable at times. However, when he enters the final third he has to start thinking and he turns into Bambi on ice. His best moments in the final third came during the few moments when he played instinctively, which resulted in some superb goals and interplay.
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Predicable.
No class, RVP didn't celebrate when he scored against Arsenal.
Celebrate, feck off.
He's bitter/upset about the circumstances surrounding the move. We already knew this. Doesn't bother me at all.
He scored for his team in a big game. Why shouldn't he celebrate?
Personally I've no problem with him celebrating.
Ha.
And yet everyone still loves him.
And yet everyone still loves him.
dont really care that he celebrated. playing for arsenal and backing up Giroud is sentence enough
Wonder if all the people who adore him so much on this forum will still feel the same?
Not me anymore. He can feck off after this.
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