That is the problem as well when you spend big money on strikers, they usually play when fit. Rooney has made big contributions to us winning titles as did RVP that first season. Yes Danny has had his moments, have they been decisive in title campaigns, no. In fact you could say Chicharito had more impact in that department.
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Read the article. It's a satirical piece.
Clue - "David Moyes wins Manchester United Manager of the Month"
I believed he was still nominated nevertheless which is still something. He brought us our best spell in the season during those month as cf. It was ahile ago, but I recalled being surprised that Moyes got some form of recognition during those months.
No I wasn't, read what I wrote again. I said if he wasn't home grown, people would lose patience with him a lot earlier - not that his fans only admire him for his United roots. Not exactly the same thing.
It'd about top levels though. If you've messi in your squad you've got to try and make it work even if it's not right now more because of the huge upside. That's why the persistence with Rooney and rvp, or with an off color rvp or Rooney. Their best is miles ahead of Welbeck's. This isn't even just a united thing. All teams try and get their best players firing when they aren't because it lifts the team to a new level if they do.
I wouldn't be putting much money on that, he could easily be the new Schvchenko (coming back from a knee injury, possibly older than 28). Of course if he does get 25 league goals he's off to Real in the summer.
I think he'll keep Giroud out of the starting 11 when he's eventually fit again. Welbeck has all the tools to extremely well in this Arsenal team.
We've got an option to sign him Pete.
Unless he starts scoring goals I think he'll find himself utilised in the same fashion for Arsenal as he did for us.
For me Rooney, Ronaldo, Berbatov and Tevez represent exactly what a squad of WC players is about.
Didn't you have an option to sign TevezWe've got an option to sign him Pete.
Anyone who thinks who Danny will do well for arsenal this season, sky bet are doing a odds of 5/6 for welbeck to score 8 or more PL goals. Just stuck some of my vidal winnings on it.
I don't think there's any point comparing goal outputs of Falcao and Welbeck - our midfielders score most of our goals, your strikers get most of yours. Falcao will score more if he stays fit and can hack the PL.
The greater sign of success for Welbeck will be if he improves our attacking play and keeps Giroud out of the team in the new year. I'm confident he'll do both.
The greater sign of success for Welbeck will be if he improves our attacking play and keeps Giroud out of the team in the new year. I'm confident he'll do both.
I think he'll start adding goals to his game once he gets regular game time up top, and luckily for him he's basically guaranteed that at Arsenal currently.
Nothing is a given, but surely you would have rather signed Falcao over Welbeck?
Which we turned down.
He'll do well, don't get me wrong. But does anyone genuinely see him firing Arsenal to the title? I don't, they'll probably seek to upgrade on Welbeck in a couple of years time.
Yep, which we chose not to exercise....well, not least until SAF tried to make a U-turn, iirc.
win the league and champions league , i don't see the problem
For all of you sentimentalists who are still blubbering over Danny leaving. I imagine if somehow he works out how to score goals, and not fall over all the time, and becomes a huge success at Arsenal then whomever is United manager down the line (Giggsy especially) will seek to bring him back to OT. I dont think he will be a 20 - 30 goals a season player but if he is dont count out a United return in the future.
Fergie played him against real which by his own admission was an acid test and the biggest game of the season. he played him over rooney as well. and welbeck didnt disappoint, he was great in both legs. moyes played him against bayern and he seemed our most dangerous player against them as well. when others have shriveled against big opposition, hes played exceptionally well. so i would hardly say fergie didnt trust him or didnt rate him. If he didnt rate the player, he always shipped him off, unless he was willing to give him more chances. How did Kagawa not get a chance under Fergie? and LVG wanted him at CM and hes not a CM! so maybe my statement about watching more games (which wasnt meant for you) applies to you as well. doesnt it princess?
maybe you should stop being so sensitive and try to look at the facts. his record when played a striker. and how many times was he given the chance to play CF and how frequently in a season. maybe you should do some research and come back because your statement ' hes got plenty of chances' doesnt make any sense to me at all. LVG is not infallible, and i think hes got this one wrong.
ie it wasn't worth anything once Tevez and is agent could get their noses in a bigger trough.
True, but they're not winning anything for us at the moment are they? They're both in their prime Welbeck is only nearing his prime. Had we not been so Reliant on our strikers but instead built a balanced squad, Welbeck wouldn't have to be expected to pull the team but we've been so Reliant on our strikers to pull us through that there's been no room for error in that part of the field. Rooney didn't have that pressure at the same age and neither did RvP because they had leaders and players around them who were expected to make equal or higher contributions.
Sorry if I come off as aggressive, I don't mean to.
There are serious doubt about where Rooney's and RvP's top levels lie at the moment and any succéss one of them has had has Always been at the expense of the other. Is it Worth persisting with them when;
1. They dont have any long-term future, so is it worth the effort when everything points to it being a fruitless endeavor?
2. They've never struck up a proper partnership and often force each other into secondary positions where they could easily be replaced by players who specialize in wide or CAM positions.
Nope, it wasn't worth anything once we rejected our option to exercise it.
Only thereafter, SAF tried to make a bit of a U-turn and Tevez was off.
A option (depending on the clauses inserted therein) is a contractual obligation - so if we choose to exercise, he ain't going anywhere.
I'm devastated. My favorite player gone to a rival.
This is a baffling decision. This will haunt us. I know optimism lies ahead but this just caps off the worst year United has had since I've been a fan.
I don't know the whole story yet but a local player with the team for a large part of his life wanting out or being pushed out is not a good sign.
I'm such a fan of welbeck that I will watch as much arsenal as possible and now want them to do really well.
Still can't believe this has happened. To me this is more shocking than rvp coming to us.
This is a baffling decision. This will haunt us. I know optimism lies ahead but this just caps off the worst year United has had since I've been a fan.
I don't know the whole story yet but a local player with the team for a large part of his life wanting out or being pushed out is not a good sign.
I'm such a fan of welbeck that I will watch as much arsenal as possible and now want them to do really well.
Still can't believe this has happened. To me this is more shocking than rvp coming to us.
Why are you even discussing Tevez lads? Tevez has never been in control of his career. Once Joorabchian smells money then he is gone. Even if Fergie exercised option to buy I am sure Kia would have found some way to move Tevez on.
feck me, I just read Mickey Phelan's comments and it hit me then how terrible this sale actually feels like. I was too high on the euphoria of Falcao and Di Maria to care much yesterday but selling Danny out of the club now feels like a travesty.
First things first...that happens ALL the fecking time. And what exactly has Welbeck done to become your favourite player, apart from being a local lad of course
feck me you people are insane...what about the hundreds of other local kids who were moved on over the years??
Except no one said that. Love how you ignored the whole crux of my post which was that managers give chances to players based on every day that they work with then, match day or otherwise. But why respond to the actual post when you can post with emotion while constantly repeating a whole different point altogether, eh?
So you are still happy that Cleverley is in the squad?. We might as well just bring back Gibson while we are at it. We are short in midfield anyway.
Falcao was never happening at those ridiculous prices (I said in another place that we should buy him in Feb 2009). Welbeck I saw come on in a youth cup game at Arsenal in 2006/7 and he immediately looked your best player tho he was only 16. He's been poorly served given Lord Rooney and Prince RvP's strops/injuries and gets a fresh go at Arsenal at 23.
I understand its still part of the game and what happened is for everyone's benefit but selling a player who lived a stone's throw away from OT, grew up at the club since he was 7, loves the club, is actually quite good at football is a bit hard to swallow.
Didn't you call him Heskey at some point?
Still think Arsenal will need to upgrade on Welbeck if they are serious in their hunt for the Premier League.
That 'option' will give you the right to buy Falcao from Monaco iff (if and only if) the player wants to sign. Anyway he's either fuicked or off to Real in the summer.
He was the hardest working player on United. His hard work actually resulted in interceptions and winning the ball. He scored some memorable goals. We generally played better when he was in the team. Was one of few players last season that didn't completely embarrass themselves.
Also seems like a good, humble guy and he was treated poorly last season. To score so many goals in a row and to be dropped for RVP or Rooney was simply poor management. And I feel that is why he wants to leave.
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