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It was Moyes' first day off the payroll today, as his 6 year contract came to an end yesterday. Wonder how he got on at the job centre?
♫Wonder how he got on at the job centre?
Doesn't the contract get terminated the day he's fired and paid off?It was Moyes' first day off the payroll today, as his 6 year contract came to an end yesterday. Wonder how he got on at the job centre?
I wanted to ask this question tooDoesn't the contract get terminated the day he's fired and paid off?
He needed more time? Yes.Should have given him more time. Dont bother quoting me I know this is an unpopular opinion and all but in hindsight he needed more time.
No he didn't, he needed less time if anything.Should have given him more time. Dont bother quoting me I know this is an unpopular opinion and all but in hindsight he needed more time.
It was a new clueless board as well. As per moyes himself fellaini was a last ditch effort we got in. The transfer market was the true failure and that wasnt his faultHe needed more time? Yes.
Did he do anything to deserve or justify getting more time? No.
Never thought I’d see him referenced on this forum.If we did, then that’s the sweetest deal since Bobby Bonilla.
I had tickets to that game. Was driving down from London with a few mates and our car broke down on the motorway, somewhere near Crewe.The match against Fulham will always stand out to me. Was so utterly ridiculous watching it live.
Although I like the sport, I'm not a baseball guy (live in the wrong continent). But I happened to see a documentary on The New York Mets and it made for very compelling viewing. It makes me feel like we have the best run organisation in sportsNever thought I’d see him referenced on this forum.
The Mets are... interesting...Although I like the sport, I'm not a baseball guy (live in the wrong continent). But I happened to see a documentary on The New York Mets and it made for very compelling viewing. It makes me feel like we have the best run organisation in sports
He still had a PL winning squad to work with didn't he? Players don't decline overnight. He was dealt a bad hand with the incompetent board, but that does not mean he himself wasn't a massive failure.It was a new clueless board as well. As per moyes himself fellaini was a last ditch effort we got in. The transfer market was the true failure and that wasnt his fault
When comparing to fellow dinosaurs, Tony Pulis and Martin O'Neill were unable to make much of an impact in the Championship. I think it's fair to say Moyes would severely struggle in the Championship if he was lucky enough to land a job there again.
Even at Championship level, this type of manager barely attracts interest anymore.
While i don't know the exact circumstances in United's case i have to firmly disagree with the analogy players don't decline overnight. 95% of our double winning squad under Ancelotti did exactly that the following season.He still had a PL winning squad to work with didn't he? Players don't decline overnight. He was dealt a bad hand with the incompetent board, but that does not mean he himself wasn't a massive failure.
The most frustrating game I saw at Old Trafford. When we finally went 2-1 up I was absolutely ecstatic, hugging the stranger next to me. Only to then realise it was bottom of the table Fulham that we should have been hammering anyway. Then Bent scored. Feck me.The match against Fulham will always stand out to me. Was so utterly ridiculous watching it live.
No doubt players can decline fairly quickly. But i think theres a difference between going from winning the league by 1 point and then only coming 2nd the following season. As opposed to running away with the league but coming 7th the next year and not even qualifying for Europe. That wasn't solely down to players declining.While i don't know the exact circumstances in United's case i have to firmly disagree with the analogy players don't decline overnight. 95% of our double winning squad under Ancelotti did exactly that the following season.
Yeah, that was peak Moyes I think. Always felt that was players proving a point too. They were good enough to know what they were doing wasn't working but just kept on trying same thing over and over to highlight what we were being coached.The most frustrating game I saw at Old Trafford. When we finally went 2-1 up I was absolutely ecstatic, hugging the stranger next to me. Only to then realise it was bottom of the table Fulham that we should have been hammering anyway. Then Bent scored. Feck me.
Lovely hearing how Fulham defenders felt like they were in the Championship with our incessant and easy to defend crossing.
He often says he's holding out for a Premier league job, but I'd say he'd snap someone's hand off if he was offered the Partick Thistle job now or something in League One.Newcastle I hope.
Moyes. The chairman and the fans I know. All made for each other.
It wasn't all his fault sure, but i think at least 70-80% of that clusterfeck of a window can be attributed to Moyes arriving late with an unprepared transfer list short on realistic targets, stupidly wanting to sign players in a certain order and just general indecision and dithering.It was a new clueless board as well. As per moyes himself fellaini was a last ditch effort we got in. The transfer market was the true failure and that wasnt his fault
Dithering DaveIt was clear that Moyes liked Herrera but very specifically said that to make such a huge financial outlay -- his first stellar signing as United manager -- he'd wanted to have much more personal time invested in assessing the player.
He liked him and a year and a half earlier wouldn't have hesitated to sign him, because his scouting of the young Basque midfielder was extremely detailed, but his "eyes-on" work on Herrera had diminished since.
Thus, his ideal position was to scout him for six to 12 months, get to Athletic games personally as well as listen to the United player assessors ... and then act or reject.
A couple of days later I got a text from Moyes to the effect that "the club," i.e. executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward, had decided to go "all in" on the last day of the transfer window and to try to pull the deal off.
Despite the 2nd place finish i think we only had a few more points (71) than you did in the Moyes season, iirc you had around 67.No doubt players can decline fairly quickly. But i think theres a difference between going from winning the league by 1 point and then only coming 2nd the following season. As opposed to running away with the league but coming 7th the next year and not even qualifying for Europe. That wasn't solely down to players declining.
Tell me this. Was the vidic and fergie who won the league the same that new season? I'm not going to make excuses. Truth is Moyes failed but personally I think he had too difficult of a task. Fergie knew that squad inside out. Only he could make those players win the league.He still had a PL winning squad to work with didn't he? Players don't decline overnight. He was dealt a bad hand with the incompetent board, but that does not mean he himself wasn't a massive failure.
Its hard to compare points totals across seasons in my opinion. United won the league with 80 points in 2011 but lost it with 89 points the next year.Despite the 2nd place finish i think we only had a few more points (71) than you did in the Moyes season, iirc you had around 67.
While I'm not clued up a enough on the Moyes era to make a clear judgement it was definitely a sudden decline with our boys, they went from breaking the league's scoring record to barely creating any chances in a match.
Prediction of what could have been:
2014: 7th
2015: 5th
2016: 4th
2017: 3th
2018: 4th
2019: 9th
+trophyless