David Moyes West Ham Manager (Again)

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That’s the second time you’ve come wading into the middle of a debate and totally misconstrued what I’ve put and started making totally irrelevant points. Yes, yesterday I was totally saying we should judge Declan Rice on his goals in a post that specifically said the goal was irrelevant. That’s obviously what I was saying. Now here you’re banging on about our fans. We’re totally irrelevant to this debate. If you want to shit on all things Manchester United and state we’re not a big club you can do that in one of the other hundreds of threads on here. You’ll find lots of people willing to help you to that end. It’s very hip at the moment. This debate was very simple - David Moyes’ reactive, counter attacking style is not equipped to manage and succeed at a club that wants to win leagues and CLs. I’m not hugely convinced his management style is equipped to manage big players either. If you want to disagree with that point and declare he’s ready to manage City or Liverpool when Pep/Klopp leave then go ahead. Personally I think you’re off your rocker. West Ham is a great job for him and he’s doing brilliantly. I’m happy for him as some of the nonsense he got thrown at him was out of order. The club he inherited was built around one man and not fit for purpose structurally to support him. It doesn’t mean I want him back here.
Can you please clarify what was the point of this part of your post then? (Which I addressed. And also, btw, I am not saying Moyes is good enough for a top club, or that West Ham are a top club, either.)
If I remember correctly that massive support were fighting each other in the stands when he took over.
As for Rice, can you please clarify what in West Ham's game vs Lyon made you comment this? You, yourself said it wasn't his performance. You also claim it wasn't his goal. Was it purely the occasion that he participated in a game?
(And I also rate Rice quite highly, just find the comment strange, and your reasoning even stranger)
At this point do you rate Declan Rice is a litmus test to see if anyone knows feck all about football.
If I misconstrue what you meant, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend you. I am directly addressing your posts and am not making any effort to add emotion or opinion.
 

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Can you please clarify what was the point of this part of your post then? (Which I addressed. And also, btw, I am not saying Moyes is good enough for a top club, or that West Ham are a top club, either.)


As for Rice, can you please clarify what in West Ham's game vs Lyon made you comment this? You, yourself said it wasn't his performance. You also claim it wasn't his goal. Was it purely the occasion that he participated in a game?
(And I also rate Rice quite highly, just find the comment strange, and your reasoning even stranger)


If I misconstrue what you meant, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend you. I am directly addressing your posts and am not making any effort to add emotion or opinion.
I’m not offended mate! Because the post I was responding to insinuated that David Moyes was already at a big club challenging for top trophies using their massive top support as proof - and stated it was “bizarre” to even suggest he isn’t suited to managing a big club or challenging for top trophies because he’s already at one doing it. I disagree with this notion…and using their support as the reason for them being a big club is stupid because 18 months ago they were fighting each other in the stands - nobody was praising it - in fact it was a hindrance. As for Rice - there was a debate about him being bang average in that thread before he scored. I was making a general statement about Rice’s obvious quality - his goal and performance in that game should be irrelevant to anyone’s opinion on him at this stage - it was pretty clear to see he’s a very good footballer at least 12 months ago. So we agree on Moyes. On West Ham. And Rice. I also agree with most of what you write about Ole!
 

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Moyes is just a bang average manager.


Never quite got the hype this season.


Some reading in this thread over the season :lol:
 

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Moyes is just a bang average manager.


Never quite got the hype this season.


Some reading in this thread over the season :lol:
I don't think he's average because he's about to lose a semi in the Europa league with West Ham.

He's good because he got them there
 

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Moyes is just a bang average manager.


Never quite got the hype this season.


Some reading in this thread over the season :lol:
Are you blaming Moyes for Cresswell getting himself sent off?

Terrible challenge that has completely wrecked their chances. Still not impossible, but very difficult.
 

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Moyes is just a bang average manager.


Never quite got the hype this season.


Some reading in this thread over the season :lol:
Above average, probably very good on some levels, but - like Brenton - with clear deficiencies on other parts.
When it matters, his teams do not deliver.
 

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Ah come on, when do West Ham ever get this far in the Europa League?
That kind of thing happens often with things falling right for a team to make a run. Even Fulham made it to the final, not long ago. It helps that west ham got off to a good start in the league and didn’t have to punt European games.
 

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He’s kind of like an (inferior) PL Emery, without the same level of European success
 

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Ah come on, when do West Ham ever get this far in the Europa League?


This run doesn't impress me at all.


Even the league form apparently been top notch, they've barely made a move whem the chance came to make a move in the league when all the other teams around where dropping points.


When he being solid, his reputation and hype seems to grow even stronger.
 

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He's done well with West Ham, even if they lose tonight. Do wonder if he might have reached a peak though, like with his time at Everton and it will just be more of the same from here on out.

I did roll my eyes earlier when i saw Phil Neville saying that Moyes reaching the semi final was proof of him building "successful" teams and that United were wrong not to give him more time :rolleyes:
 

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This run doesn't impress me at all.


Even the league form apparently been top notch, they've barely made a move whem the chance came to make a move in the league when all the other teams around where dropping points.


When he being solid, his reputation and hype seems to grow even stronger.
Nobody is calling him Klopp or saying he's worthy of a better job. Just that he's got West Ham to a good level when they have been underperforming for decades. They're now a team that's around the European places when they were a bottom half club for quite a bit and it's their first ever deep cup run in a long time.
 
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He’s kind of like an (inferior) PL Emery, without the same level of European success
Seems to be. It’s interesting how he can get two very similar clubs to a similar level but can’t take that next step to actually winning stuff. He’s doing with West Ham almost exactly what he did with Everton. Which is creditable considering how many other managers couldn’t match him at those clubs. But it’s not enough to get him a job at a big club (and never should have been!)
 

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He did a Cantona on that camera :lol:
 

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That's such a disappointing result for him - he was so close to getting rid of two big criticisms of his career by both winning a major trophy and qualifying for the Champions League, neither of which he has managed up until now.

But it doesn't take anything away from the job he has done at West Ham; yes they were dramatically underperforming when he went back there, but he's still got them far higher than could've been expected.
 

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This will hopefully result in a lengthy ban. Imagine he would have hit the kid against the back of the head there. Concussion very probable.
edit: and probably falling down the steps
 

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That's such a disappointing result for him - he was so close to getting rid of two big criticisms of his career by both winning a major trophy and qualifying for the Champions League, neither of which he has managed up until now.

But it doesn't take anything away from the job he has done at West Ham; yes they were dramatically underperforming when he went back there, but he's still got them far higher than could've been expected.
This Europa run sums up his career. No expectations to get past Sevilla or Lyon and he surprises people, then all of a sudden he arguably has the strongest team left in the tournament and falls apart under the weight of expectation.

He's a very good manager and a good fit for West Ham but he has a clear ceiling that won't be cracked, if he gets another huge job it will go exactly the same way it did at United.
 

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Wtf :lol: did you British invent some mildly derogatory term for middle aged, white, angry men? It’s him.
 

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To be fair, they couldn't really make a game of it today after the red card.

And I think their biggest issue is the lack of squad depth, he's been playing the same first XI to try and maintain both a top 4 push and deep Europa run, and because of it they've been running on fumes for quite a while. Antonio when fit and rested is one of the best strikers in the league (in my opinion), but when he's not it takes a lot out of their team.

They badly need to get another good CM or two in, a backup striker, and probably another defender. He's done well with building a very strong first XI but what differentiates the top teams these days from the 5 or 6 teams below them is having a squad full of players that could start any week with no difference in quality.
 

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I wouldn't be too hard on him. I think you can see in that footage the exact moment that he realised exactly what he is.
 
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