Pellegrini and Rodgers, not much of a fight. He would have done it for sure.Don’t thinks so. Not even close
Pellegrini and Rodgers, not much of a fight. He would have done it for sure.Don’t thinks so. Not even close
I still hate that cnut though...Moyes going from being mercilessly mocked by the fanbase to people now watching WH with envy will be the most laughably tragic part of all that's happened so far
Not with RVP's injuries that season.Pellegrini and Rodgers, not much of a fight. He would have done it for sure.
Universe doesnt work like that. If Fergie had stayed maybe RVP wouldnt have had those injuries. And even with injuries if anyone could won the league that year Fergie certainly could have do it.Not with RVP's injuries that season.
True, but he would also have no Paul Scholes.Universe doesnt work like that. If Fergie had stayed maybe RVP wouldnt have had those injuries. And even with injuries if anyone could won the league that year Fergie certainly could have do it.
Scholes barely played in 12/13.True, but he would also have no Paul Scholes.
In addition he would be working with Ed Woodward, who is hands down the worst thing to happen to Man Utd. Blame the managers all you like, but Woodward has been a millstone around the club's neck for years. His absolutely dire performance during Moyes' first window effectively doomed him from the get go. If he had put in a decent bid for Baines and Fellaini we would have solved a big problem, the left back position.
People might blame Moyes for that, but I remember well that Ed was trying to haggle with all the major clubs like he was a market trader and it meant we wasted so much time.
Evra was finished as a Premier League left back and Buttner was awful.Scholes barely played in 12/13.
Left back wasn't a huge priority Evra played at a high level for another few years at Juve. Central midfield, centreback and a winger were more needed.
Nah I disagree he played another two high level years at Juve, winning the double twice and getting to the CL final. Fergie would have got another year out of him at least. Plus Baines while a good player, at 28 wasn't much of an upgrade on an aging Evra anyway.Evra was finished as a Premier League left back and Buttner was awful.
Yeah, in the less intense Serie A. The Premier League is a whole different ball game. If he hadn't been finished he wouldn't have been allowed to leave. The whole defensive unit was in need of replacement due to age.Nah I disagree he played another two high level years at Juve, winning the double twice and getting to the CL final. Fergie would have got another year out of him at least. Plus Baines while a good player, at 28 wasn't much of an upgrade on an aging Evra anyway.
He wasn't 'allowed' to leave so much as he wanted to leave. The club triggered his extension shortly before he did leave. Plus we were speculating on 13/14 not the season after.Yeah, in the less intense Serie A. The Premier League is a whole different ball game. If he hadn't been finished he wouldn't have been allowed to leave. The whole defensive unit was in need of replacement due to age.
Sure, he could perform for a lower tier team in the league, but his greatness had rescinded.
Poor current form aside, I think Shaw definitely has justified his(25 million?) price tag. Herrera was also a decent player for us. I don't think he was better before or after leaving us.It is crazy how everyone turns to shit for us both managers and players. Apart from Bruno has anyone post SAF actually reached their potential with us that we signed for big money or put big faith in?
Indeed but think about the thread we're in. It doesn't fit into the narrative that Moyes took over a finished/mid-table side that couldn't possibly have finished in the top 4.Anyone who thinks that Fergie wouldn't have won the league the next year(2013-14), or at the very least have made it close, seriously underestimates him.
Probably the title of 2015-16 as well, with some new faces; eventually, he would have been swallowed up by Pep and Klopp, but he would have triumphed over post-2015 Mou, Pellegrini, Ranieri, Poch, or even Conte with relative ease.Anyone who thinks that Fergie wouldn't have won the league the next year(2013-14), or at the very least have made it close, seriously underestimates him.
But Moyes was also SAF's first choice to replace him, so his judgement must have been very flawed if Moyes was as bad as many make him out to be on this forum.Anyone who thinks that Fergie wouldn't have won the league the next year(2013-14), or at the very least have made it close, seriously underestimates him.
He wasn't. And even if he was...But Moyes was also SAF's first choice to replace him,
Fergie's "ability" to pick the next manager has little to do with Fergie's ability as a manager.so his judgement must have been very flawed if Moyes was as bad as many make him out to be on this forum.
Alex Ferguson was a genius but even he got things wrong and towards the end of his career his judgement was suspect at times. His prediction that Phil Jones could be the greatest player in the clubs history, his claim that Nick Powell would definitely be a top player and his belief that Moyes was in any way cut out to manage Manchester United highlight this. But he still way more right than he did wrong.But Moyes was also SAF's first choice to replace him, so his judgement must have been very flawed if Moyes was as bad as many make him out to be on this forum.
I think it's a lot more straight forward than that:Anyone who thinks that Fergie wouldn't have won the league the next year(2013-14), or at the very least have made it close, seriously underestimates him.
Then he quickly senses that it doesn't work and reverts to a back 5 with Rice. His game management is so underrated.Made some ballsy attacking changes when Zouma went down and took the game to the league leaders.
Moyes the Mad.
Word around the club was that he was pretty arrogant at the time. Maybe he's evolved now, or found his level again.I think it's a lot more straight forward than that:
Moyes tried to refresh the club, starting with the staff, from day one. He also didn't get the desired transfers in. So starting off there was massive internal unrest. And frankly, the players didn't trust him or respect him. He was doomed from that day one.
Also beaten City on penalties this season.Done well on the whole against last season's top 7 so far:
Wins:
4-1 v Leicester City (h)
1-0 v Tottenham Hotspur (h)
3-2 v Liverpool (h)
3-2 v Chelsea (h)
Losses:
2-1 v Man Utd (h)
2-1 v Man City (a)
Second half of the season though they're going to be away a lot.
Hes found his level. It's a completely different job being an Everton or West Ham, and punching above your weight, compared to being Man United and expecting to be around the top.Word around the club was that he was pretty arrogant at the time. Maybe he's evolved now, or found his level again.
Once again!