Spinning a 0-0 against fecking USA as a positive by spouting ‘clean sheet’. Fecking cowards.
Day 6: Wales vs Iran | Qatar vs Senegal | Netherlands vs Ecuador | England vs USA
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Does England owe us some money or something? Not sure why so generous, but thanks.
What Maguire really wanted to say:
I played great so get it right up the lot of you and all your so called superstars were dogshite
I played great so get it right up the lot of you and all your so called superstars were dogshite
England fans defend as much as Portugal fans defend Santos.
Or anywhere. John Murray interviewed Southgate yesterday and it was all pally pally first names. No objectivity. As always.
I was thinking of English journalists and fans in the media. The Gary Nevilles etc. who have sold performances like this by pointing to his results.
He'll have to be dropped into the Atlantic
US shape and midfield dictated the match as England looked devoid of creativity and shit spacing.
USA aren't bad. A bit scatter-brained in attack but composed enough in the first two thirds of the pitch. They should have enough for Iran.
Thought Kane was decent also, but midfield and other forwards were not great. Too many misplaced passes.
When we pass the ball forward at pace, and have players 'running forward' we create chances, but it's so infrequent.
There appeared to be a bit of cockiness about England, not sure why, we've achieved nothing yet.
Thought Maguire and Shaw were the best players, then Grealish when he came on, they were scared to death of him.
Tsunami incoming.
How long is this break after the fourth quarter? When will the overtime be played?
Well Southgate did his best to preserve the ’special relationship’ with the USA
Kane and good performance? Hmm. They were all bad. Maguire looked good because everything was in the air and they never exploited his lack of pace. We will get ruined by a good team.
Dump him halfway in the Atlantic then?
Crap performance. How they went from smashing Iran 6-2 to that will be a great mystery. Maybe they believed the hype.
I don't know how Karen Carney ( on the pitch side) said before the match started "England have as strong a bench as Brazil. " She is having a laugh Who is she trying to kid.
Southgate happy with this 
Neither of them is good enough with the ball at their feet to take the ball and turn a marker. It's crazy to hear £100m price tags for them when players like Gavi and Pedri exist. Talksport were trying to make the case for Rice being better than Casemiro earlier. Absolute delusion.
The truth is we don't have good midfielders. Our players are competent and physical. Rice has probably come along as much as he's going to. He's this generation's David Batty. Bellingham may evolve into a less good Paul Ince.
To play through midfield we are going to have to hope English academies produce more Paul Scholes'. Chance would be a fine thing.
As we have no technical midfielders we'd be better off copying pre Thiago Liverpool: Three workhorses in midfield, Trent and Shaw spamming crosses in and a high press from the top.
To be fair, it is a fairly strong squad. We’ve just got a manager who doesn’t know how to use them.
Southgate can't answer why Foden wasn't brought on.
Thought Saka was ok.
Similar to a United away game under Ole, the attack wasn't the issue.
The issue came in our build up.
Stones, Maguire, Trippier, Rice, Bellingham and Mount.
The coordination between them was the problem.
Against Iran, this wasn't the case as they sat back and didn't have the skill or composure to progress the ball up the pitch from such a deep position. So England's attackers were able to get the ball far easier.
In this game, the build up was slow, tepid and ineffective. The US were easily able to break it up.
One thing I will say from watching the tournament and more top teams is, the ability of your backline to keep the ball and move it quickly enough without hold up has become a far more prominent feature in the game. Doesn't mean they need to be good at progressing the ball, but they do need to be technically gifted enough to hold or keep the ball when necessary. Maguire nor Stones could do this today.
Add this to the fact that neither Bellingham, Declan Rice or Mount were willing to drop deep and provide an additional option to progress the ball meant that any progress England made was rare or came from Shaw.
Blaming Kane, Sterling or Saka is pretty worthless, since nothing they could have done would have improved the team in this game.
This is who they are. This is who they've always been under Southgate at the first sign of a competent team. Don't understand how one performance against Iran convinced anyone it was going to be any different.
Nice result for the US. I like our chances against Iran.
Gareth really pleased. Thank god you have him. You could actually win something
He’s just so negative. I hate it.
It’s always ‘how can we not lose’ never ‘how can we win’ with Southgate.
It’s always ‘how can we not lose’ never ‘how can we win’ with Southgate.
ffs...the way you guys talk it's like the US didn't even deserve to be on the same pitch as England, starting to sound like Liverpool supporters.
6 of hte US starting Xi play in England... Aaronson plays for Leeds off the bench and Reyna for Dortmund. We aren't mugs by any stretch.
6 of hte US starting Xi play in England... Aaronson plays for Leeds off the bench and Reyna for Dortmund. We aren't mugs by any stretch.
I knew Southgate would say it's a point gained and he's pleased etc zzz
I've moaned about England, so let me get to the US fans - do you'll seriously not having anyone better than Zimmermann? You barely had to defend all game and it still looked like he was going to make a mistake any second.
Thank you Keane for rubbishing these daft excuses
Im enjoying listening to all the excuses Nevile and Wright are coming up with
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Roy is gold in situations like this and you can tell that the rest of them love it.
Keane tearing a new arsehole. Excuses
US has a more dynamic midfield trio than anything England can trot out and it showed.
The disappointment for England is that they had zero creativity from their front players aside from the Mount chance at the end of the first half
The disappointment for England is that they had zero creativity from their front players aside from the Mount chance at the end of the first half
He’d float, like an unflushable turd.
This confuses me. A player with his creativity would have given a shaky pairing like Ream and Zimmerman problems.
He was really good. A lot of US players were.