And that’s what it’s about ultimately. People’s little heroes didn’t get glowing praise.
Disrespecting the class of 92
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I won't criticize Zlatan for his opinion - but I won't hold it against Scholes or Neville either.
Getting paid doesn't mean that one doesn't think that they have given to an organisation. Yes, it was their job - but they were also loyal and no one can doubt that they gave it everything during their playing careers.
Unfortunately, they've had to see their club fail for 5-6 years (much like us fans) - and they've had stupid things to say. I'm not saying they are right - but I'll cut them a lot of slack on this given their past.
Ah yes, the known agenda Bollocks people like you spout at people to try and validate your opinion and make yourself feel superior. A well known Red Cafe trait.
Up there with the classic "we're not turning to shit, Fergie has set us up for greatness for years to come. Stop knee jerking" malarkey that was spouted around here between 2011 and 2013
Fact is the documentary tried to airbrush Denis Irwin out and that was said about Phil Neville being behind Ryan Giggs. It's not an agenda, it's a fact that I am stating. It's not even an opinion, it's there for all to see and hear
The agenda here is your top red stance. That's fine, knock yourself out but, don't try and paint other people as liars as you do.
It's not cool, pal and it reflects badly on you.We all want what is best for you. I don't want or need your help pal, we're here to help you through this
You have an agenda against this group of players. It’s a fact, ive seen in other threads.
These Denis Irwin ramblings are a testament to that. You’ve made a mountain out of a molehill based on a 10 second throw off comment in a 100 minute documentary. Selectively ignoring some of the other things said on Phil Neville’s position in the documentary.
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No agenda here with me pal.
Your agenda is clear though. Be a "top red" and try and drag posters like myself down into the gutter.
Horrible antics, horrible scenes altogether and all on a Friday?!
I'm sorry but, I need a moment You do realise there is a bit of a difference between a social media troll just tearing into anything and everything about the club they supposedly support and a genuine fan from wherever who genuinely can't get to a game don't you genius, if not, wow.
So gonna go with..........you don't know what is, lad
+5 Top red points. You’ve earned them lad
Cheers, appreciate them, will put them towards the next ballot application, hopefully they should help!
Thanks lad, always good getting top red points for not hating our past legends, takes a lot of willpower not to jump on the I HATE SCHOLES bandwagon haha
Actually agree with all of this, it's not people disagreeing with what they say, half of the stuff Scholes, Keane, both Nevilles' come out with I disagree with or seems overly harsh or whatever.
Issue I have is so called fans and the absolute hate and abuse, difference between thinking "sake Neville your being a bit of a bell saying that" and the anger, hate, abuse they get just because they are not tongue f**king United 24/7.
Whether you disagree with them or not for what they say while being a pundit, our fans should always have respect for them for what they gave the club, achieved at the club, it should not be forgotten and turned into abuse simply because they have slagged someone off or whatever.
The people who do this are the clowns on Twitter etc., who actually have no interest in United, they just want to act like fans, abuse as much as possible to gain as many likes/retweets as possible.
These are the issues I have, not like the other lad got all upset about saying I was tearing into anyone who doesn't go to a game haha has absolutely sod all to do with that.
Phil Nevilles' Dream United team next season vs Matt Hollands'.
Phils' team:
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Dalot--Varane--Lindelof--Shaw
-----------Dier---------------
--Coutinho------Pogba------
Bale----------------Martial
--------Rashford--------
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Dalot--Varane--Lindelof--Shaw
-----------Dier---------------
--Coutinho------Pogba------
Bale----------------Martial
--------Rashford--------
Matt's team:
------------DDG--------
Dalot--Koulibaly--Varane--Shaw
-------Kante---Pogba
Sancho-------------Martial---
------Griezmann------
-------------Rashford-----
------------DDG--------
Dalot--Koulibaly--Varane--Shaw
-------Kante---Pogba
Sancho-------------Martial---
------Griezmann------
-------------Rashford-----
If both him and his wife had busy lives, his wife was a real estate merchant, it's no so difficult to hide an affair. Anyway I don't think it's fair to have a go at Rhodri, because his superstar brother shagged his wife for 8 years. If he can make some money and get publicity from it, while having a dig at his brother i'm all for it.
It's not uncommon for superstar athletes to take advantage of the fact that they can shag almost every bird they want and when they want. It's just that if Ryan wanted to cheat on his wife, which I also think he did with imogen Thomas, it so incredibly scummy to do with your brothers wife while his brother has always been in his shadow.
Ryan Giggs is my favourite united player of all time. Ryan Giggs as a person, does not inspire me much, but apart from the affair and all that, he might still be nice guy flaws and all.
Loads of people here disrespect Robbie Savage...
Keith Gillespie is never remembered
Keith Gillespie is never remembered
Coutinho and Bale. Good grief Phil...
Loads of people here disrespect Robbie Savage...
Keith Gillespie is never remembered
I don't think Gillespie was in the class of 92 although neither were Scholes and Phil I suppose.
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Keith was in 92 so you are right . That was some team add in Adrian Doherty and Ben Thornley as well . Makes you wonder why they have to pretend Scholes was there too
Savage has had a good career and I suppose he should be remembered for his time here same for Michael Gray .
Damn. I'm hip
You'd better watch out on the caf - such a reasonable opinion could get you into deep trouble.............
I love Giggsy but yes, that prolonged episode was not one of his finer extended-over-8-years moments. Especially given he could have still been footloose and fancy free instead of marrying and could have had more than a few options re women but chose to cheat on his own wife and humiliate his brother in doing so. I just think Rhodri is thick - and when he was younger he was a troubled boy who didn't seem at all bright.
Another regrettable thing about Ryan's actions is the fact he seems to have repeated his father's patterns with his mother. It seems his father was a great rugby player, not so great a husband and dad to his lads. Ryan mentioned years ago problems such as Rhodri's behavior and that of his dad. Sadly he cheated on his wife with his brother's wife even when he had his own children. I'm sure they'll find it confusing and upsetting when they know.
However, the posters here who refer to it all as some kind of unspeakable human act that automatically subtracts every other quality of Ryan's are well over the top. If they reserved that moral outrage for the politicians they elect, for one, it would be far more relevant, useful and indeed ethical.
Rather Coutinho or Bale than Eric Dier for crying out loud.
I agree. People have are shades of grey. Until the news of the affair become public, Ryan Giggs was Mr. Man United outside the pitch and an ambassador of the club. Both dignified on and off it. Like I said, his affair is inexcusable, but he might still have done hundreds or thousands or other deeds of pitch. Like I said, Giggs used to be role model pro.
- Scholes failed as a manager and has had nothing positive to say about the club.
- Giggs boned his brothers wife
- Neville has lost all common sense
- The worse Neville is a sexist
Scholes is a fan just like us who gave 20+ years to the club, most of us as "fans" haven't had anything positive to say in 6 years either. So why should Scholes sugar coat things when the progress/football has been absolute shite! and the managers have been totally incompetent. As Scholes said himself once on BT Sport, there's standards that have been set for 20+ years and they have been set for a reason. seeing garbage every week for 6 years is just unacceptable, and personally I have no issue with what Scholes has ever said about United. He's frustrated and disappointed just like the rest of us.
It amazes me how bad Phil Neville is at this...
They're not exactly making it easier for themselves of late.
Apologies mods if this requires a new thread but I’ve been seeing a lot of hate directed the way of Neville, Scholes, Butt and other United legends on their commentary of the club.
The club has been run awfully post Fergie and some of the managers have been downright terrible. The main criticism I see of them is that they are influencing the fans at home and creating a negative and toxic environment for the new managers and playing squad.
My question to people who feel that way is what do you expect them to do. With how poor the last 3 years have been under Ten Hag and Amorim, how are their opinions that different from general fan sentiment regarding this period.
Yes they badger in about the United way but I don’t know why that sees to have a negative spin to it nowadays. It’s our culture and identity, and no different to what other top clubs like Bayern, Barcelona and Liverpool have. If we continue to be stylistic nomads that how we end up with a club we don’t recognise.
I’m not saying they don’t chat shite at times, they obviously do but they are so far down in the list of problems because ultimately the people in charge of our success are the owners, sporting directors, managers and players but somehow they are being treated like traitors for voicing their opinion.
I couldn’t imagine Raul, Zidane, Sergio Ramos, Casillas going easy on RM if they had a decade like we just have.
The club has been run awfully post Fergie and some of the managers have been downright terrible. The main criticism I see of them is that they are influencing the fans at home and creating a negative and toxic environment for the new managers and playing squad.
My question to people who feel that way is what do you expect them to do. With how poor the last 3 years have been under Ten Hag and Amorim, how are their opinions that different from general fan sentiment regarding this period.
Yes they badger in about the United way but I don’t know why that sees to have a negative spin to it nowadays. It’s our culture and identity, and no different to what other top clubs like Bayern, Barcelona and Liverpool have. If we continue to be stylistic nomads that how we end up with a club we don’t recognise.
I’m not saying they don’t chat shite at times, they obviously do but they are so far down in the list of problems because ultimately the people in charge of our success are the owners, sporting directors, managers and players but somehow they are being treated like traitors for voicing their opinion.
I couldn’t imagine Raul, Zidane, Sergio Ramos, Casillas going easy on RM if they had a decade like we just have.
The only one that annoys me is Neville, but it's not that he's criticising the club, its the way he constructs his sentences, his oohing and ahhing and other platitudes he uses
I think it is ridiculous to say just because they are ex-players, they should be immune to criticism. The media has a huge influence in football, from the managers, to the referees, to the FA, to the fan opinions, to the club authorities, the media can make or break anyone. For a decade, United has been used as bait and for clicks by media. Neville, Scholes, Butt choose to be part of it and hence getting criticized along with them.
Just because they are ex-players, they don't suddenly become immune to criticism. Then we will be like Neville who picks and chooses the players or the managers or the owners against whom he would be vocal.
Also, I think the word "hate" is used way too loosely. Yes, there are a few on the internet who abuse certain individuals. But the critics, at least here, stay civilized.
Feck them! Making their living from United’s misery. Scholes is probably dumbest of the bunch.
… uh. For any of their faults, reading this sort of thing on a fan forum kind of makes me wonder wtf you’re here in the first place?
They love the club and have obviously done so much for it. They’re far too focused on the past though, the “back in my day” or “bring back Keane” or “United DNA”. New managers with no prior connection to the club must find it intensely annoying.
Can't hate them. All played a part in the clubs greatest ever period. Don't even disagree with half the stuff they say and I disagree with half of what everyone says so who cares really.
Scholes, Neville, butt, I like them all. Butt is a season ticket holder which is more than can be said for most of us isn't it.
Scholes, Neville, butt, I like them all. Butt is a season ticket holder which is more than can be said for most of us isn't it.
Yeah this is what the forum needs back to policing opinions about our legends because posters get upset at criticisms of Ole. Went so well last time didn't it.
I don't know if it works, but there is an ignore function on this board. If someone annoys you, you can just silence them.
The 92'ers are fans just like you and me. So there are feelings involved. In the heat of the moment we all say shit we probably shouldn't, and that's just the way it is.
We all have different opinions. The tricky bit is to avoid being a condecending twat when arguing.
The 92'ers are fans just like you and me. So there are feelings involved. In the heat of the moment we all say shit we probably shouldn't, and that's just the way it is.
We all have different opinions. The tricky bit is to avoid being a condecending twat when arguing.
No one hates them, and they are respected for their playing careers. But that doesn’t mean we can’t see how much objectivity they lack when it comes to running the club and certain people within it. We all know where this is heading and why this thread is bumped again — the moment the most incompetent possible coach is reappointed as interim manager, they will defend him until the very last day, regardless of how bad he is or how many bad decisions he makes. That’s why I respect them as players and club legends, but their opinions about the club don’t interest me, they are proven to be biased like hell
I disliked Gary long before he started talking shite about the club.
Even if I often disagree with their views, I don't hate them because their bias is largely based on being coached and managed by one of the greatest ever. Many of them have a limited experience of the Football world, they mainly know the good side.
Scholes would practically have commit murder to undo what he gave us as a player. And depending on who he murdered I might still forgive him.
Unrelated to the punditry topic, but I have a hard time forgiving the 1992 lot for building that eyesore of a hotel right next to Old Trafford, spoiling the best view of the stadium when walking up from Wharfside. They went against the club's wishes in doing so. Every time I walk up to the stadium, I so wish that hotel wasn't there blocking the view.
Pretty easy to separate it, isn't it? Legends on the pitch. I am forever grateful for what they did for the club in terms of success and trophies. Couldn't give less of a toss about what they get up to now. People tend to get desperate to feel relevant as they age, which I think explains Scholes, who couldn't have wanted less to do with the media when he played.
We don't know them personally, so why anyone would care what they say when they are on TV being paid to say inflammatory shite is beyond me. I mean, there's a reason there's an expression "never meet your heroes," which social media has proven to be hyper-fecking accurate.
So, like I said, separate them out. Legends on the pitch. Who cares off it?
We don't know them personally, so why anyone would care what they say when they are on TV being paid to say inflammatory shite is beyond me. I mean, there's a reason there's an expression "never meet your heroes," which social media has proven to be hyper-fecking accurate.
So, like I said, separate them out. Legends on the pitch. Who cares off it?
Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough. People are free to criticise them just as you and I can criticise each other’s posts or opinions as fans.
I’m talking about the people who are angry at them voicing their opinions and telling them to shut up/feck off. If we are performing poorly, how would these people like our legends to talk about the club without them losing their minds.
Like I said , they can chat a load of shite at times and it’s fine to call that out but for a meaningful size of the fan base it’s becoming disrespectful now.
Some people have allowed themselves to believe that they are the anchor weighing the club down and holding us back and attributing an irrational share of the blame to them. Some even believe they are responsible for getting Amorim the sack and not his 30 odd percent win rate.
They're not to blame for the club's struggles, they just have terrible takes that are given too much prominence because of their status and platforms.
Love them for what they did for us, but their ability with a football doesn't mean their opinions are worth listening to.
Love them for what they did for us, but their ability with a football doesn't mean their opinions are worth listening to.
They disrespect themselves with their antics.
Til he sends it back if we hire the "wrong" manager