VG wasted our summer last year, let me rephrase that he undone everything set up going into the new season, we had no international tournaments, CL football, free range of transfer activity, and he has wasted and undone everything we were looking to build upon. Now its a long road ahead to rebuild
Does it actually matter if we don't get into the Champions League?
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Dont care to be fair, we wont challenge for the CL under LvG and we will hardly get out of the group stages so what's the point? Just a few more embarassments midway as well? LvG was free to do anything to get top 4 and qualify last year, can anybody say that was worth it by getting beaten to PSV, Wolfsburg, drawing CSKA, PSV? Its completely pointless.
Exactly.
Cannot believe what I'm reading in here.
We're meant to be up there with the likes of Madrid, Barca and Bayern, remember.
We may miss out this year, but if we continue to do so within the next 5 years we can forget about this 'biggest club in the world' ego bullshit.
We're in such huge danger of becoming a falling giant like Milan and Liverpool.
Missing out this year may not hit us hard on the pocket, but who gives a shit? That's for the guys in suits to deal with, not us.
I want to see us play on Tuesday and Wendnesday nights against the Europes best.
Of course it matters.Mainly for a financial boost than anything else.
Yes, the prestige and the need to buy quality players means being out of the CL 2 out of the last 3 seasons will be a big blow for the club. Plus when you start accepting mediocrity you become mediocre.
They stuck with Moyes until it was mathematically impossible for us to qualify for the CL.
I struggled to get beyond this part - I couldn't give a shit about United's 'commercial operation'.
Fans wondering if being able to play against the top European teams matter as long as the club makes enough money through other sources. This place surprises me at times.
Ah, good for you!
Not the pain but that this doesn't reflect your opinion. Obviously, we all don't know why your borad acts the way it does. However, what would you do if you have no manager (or head coach) lined up you entrust to take over and make an impact right away? I can be entirely wrong but to me it doesn't suggest at all that your board thinks Giggs is the solution to your problems. Otherwise they would have sacked LvG for some time now and put him in charge.I'm aware that it was and is an entirely different case but Chelsea was in a way lucky: They could give José the sack and let Hiddinck take over for the remainder of the season; an experienced manager with no ambition to stay beyond the season and who knows the club. SAF would be your Hiddinck, I guess, but I doubt he'll do this to himself.
I'm surprised that the mouse wasn't carrying a little pot noodle flag. Missed a trick there Ed.
Being in the biggest competition on the planet is a little important if you want to consider yourself or be considered a top club, I'd imagine.
More importantly, there's big money in the CL. Forget that we already have money, imagine what being in the CL would do for a club like Spurs and the players they would then attract. We are worse than them right now, do we want that gap to increase?
More importantly, there's big money in the CL. Forget that we already have money, imagine what being in the CL would do for a club like Spurs and the players they would then attract. We are worse than them right now, do we want that gap to increase?
I'm still giddy at the prospect of knowing who our next snack partner is going to be. I think Doritos do things the United way.
I find this depressing in the extreme. Is our bank balance now more important than the football?
If you want to sign elite sponsorship deals then you need to be an elite club, and elite clubs play in the Champions league.
We could easily have missed top 4 last year as well. Does it matter if we become a consistent mid table team without ambition?
Thats about 6-7 mil pounds.
Very poor from Uefa. They should increase it, and maybe clubs will take more seriously.
In the long term, it wont. But in the short term , its creating significant return.
Woody seems to be obsessed with a Marquee signing, and most likely has to do with marketing the club. If we can consistently finish in the UCL, even without winning it and premiership top 4, we can make a killing.
I think it was you that quoted the French chairman that said it was better to finish 2nd than 1st. Less bonuses to pay, high prize money. From a business perspective, that works.
Does football matter? Not really.
we will find scrapping the bottom in terms of finding the manager we need to replace LVG
Not really concerned about being in the CL when we can't even qualify for the knockout stages.
The focus should be to do well enough in the league, and use that as a platform to tweak in European competition (CL or Europa). Not some dick measuring contest where the annoying "we need to be with Real, Bayern and Barca" is constantly regurgitated
The focus should be to do well enough in the league, and use that as a platform to tweak in European competition (CL or Europa). Not some dick measuring contest where the annoying "we need to be with Real, Bayern and Barca" is constantly regurgitated
The CL is of great importance on many levels we need to be in it. We need to replace LVG as soon as possible because of 2 reasons, 1. He is only short term, and could leave at the end of the season. 2. His style of football is boring to the extreme, and up to now there has been no improvement. With City getting Guardiola, we need to act fast even if it is Mourinho. Giggs needs to try his managing elsewhere to enable us to se if he is in fact any good at it or not.
Yes it does matter, and these type of threads just prove that we, as a club, are now starting to settle for mediocrity.
We are an elite club. Arguably the biggest club in the world. The Champions League is an elite competition, meaning we should be always aiming to be win it, nevermind just getting into it.
The fact that we're currently out of it, and could possibly not qualify for next year is bs. Bayern, Barca or Madrid wouldnt settle for it, so why should we?
We are an elite club. Arguably the biggest club in the world. The Champions League is an elite competition, meaning we should be always aiming to be win it, nevermind just getting into it.
The fact that we're currently out of it, and could possibly not qualify for next year is bs. Bayern, Barca or Madrid wouldnt settle for it, so why should we?
Like I said it works if you are competing. You need to be second, you need to be close to finals, you need to play CL and go beyond the group stage. Otherwise you end up like Liverpool, with enough money to "survive", but not enough money for the owners to really make money, not enough money to purchase the best players, not enough credibility to convince upcoming stars.
The bare minimum is Arsenal, with CL participation and knockout stage reached year in year out. Not being a regular CL team will only be survivable if the club decides to drastically reduce the expenses and officially become a EL team (Tottenham).
But I'm talking about mid to long term, not short term. On the short term it's going to hurt us because the pool of quality players is very limited and they will almost always have the choice between clubs as rich or more competitive than United.
Yes its importance for money, prestige and blah blah blah but we shat anyway.
I find it depressing as well.
And to answer your question, yes, I think the board sees it that way.
Purely from a financial perspective, it's a bit of a conundrum.
You need to spend to get to the top and generally qualify for the UCL and finish in the top 3, unless you have a genius manager like Wenger. But spending doesnt guarantee success as the Glazers have now realized. So the question would be lowering spending, thus reducing net investment and meaning that percentage return is higher?
I think the board(especially those in charge of finances would be comfortable with an Arsenal, just top 3/4 and UCL revenues) . Still allows us to milk our marketing reach which many clubs simply cant match, success or not,and keep our place within the upper echelon table, but just generate enough return.
Problem is that the fans want more. But as we saw with Arsenal, no one takes seriously. They are too bound by their love for the club to do anything else.
Should we not be a club trying to win the Champions League? What on earth are some fans coming out with these days?
As I've already mentioned before on the forum (and on the pod), our coefficient is so poor now that even if we quality we'll be in pot 3 probably, due to our own poor performances and UEFA's new seeding system. We'll be given the sort of group City used to get when they first entered the Champions League.
I can't imagine not being in the CL not mattering... Heck, I don't give a shit about the financial concerns of my club yet am always extremely disappointed when we're out of the CL, be it due to being eliminated in the competition or not qualifying. It's the best football competition in the world and you always dream of winning it - except when you're not in it.
Might as well say winning the league doesn't matter as you make enough revenue coming 2nd or 3rd anyway... Ridiculous principle.
Might as well say winning the league doesn't matter as you make enough revenue coming 2nd or 3rd anyway... Ridiculous principle.
Well we have no chance of winning it but we still need it.
CL = more money and highly level of players interested.
CL = more money and highly level of players interested.
That's not what OP is saying at all.
He's talking about the board. Whether it matters to them from a financial perspective.
The decline already feels pretty terminal now so in that sense it probably doesn't make much difference.
If the plan is to keep Van Gaal until the Summer and then give it Giggs then it really is all over.
If the plan is to keep Van Gaal until the Summer and then give it Giggs then it really is all over.
In short term maybe not but in long term, definitely will matter.
The major reason United is so famous in Asia and America because of '99 treble .
The major reason United is so famous in Asia and America because of '99 treble .
No, but I agree that one can't think straight with an empty stomach.
We fecking need that CL spot for the short and long term future. Imagine falling away into pot 3 or 4. Imagine losing out on targets to domestic rivals because CL appeals to them. We aren't winning the EL or making a serious challenge in it to help our coefficient either.
I didn't miss anything. I'm saying that I don't give a shit about the 'commerical operation'. Nothing less, nothing more.
Look when you start thinking like that, then you are asking to go backwards. We've gone backwards far enough.
For Manchester United, missing out on the CL again and becoming a midtable club would be very bad thing. At least from a supporter's point of view. From the point of view of Van Gaal and whoever thinks he's been doing a great job this season, perhaps not.
I can't even get my head around the question.
I can't even get my head around the question.
It does matter, MUFC need to be playing Champions League football, its unacceptable the brand of football being served up by our great club but to spend £200m+ over the last 18 months, have that style of football served up & likely miss out on Europe's premier competition is a joke quite frankly. The club is in good shape commercially but its naive to think that will last with how things are on the football side.
I'm not saying it's my view. Just speculating as to what the hell the board is thinking.