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Fulham got one for Nani
You hurt?You don't get statues for stupid posts mate. Nice try though.
There's a very good chance his record will never be broken, considering how long it took to break Sir Bobby's and how far anyone else is off from breaking it right now.Record holders don't get statues, they have the record to their name.
And you don't build statues for record holders because you hope to break it again, the sooner the better.
Fulham got one for Nani
Great post! My view is that any more statues would dilute the importance of the ones already standing.As a Utd legend yes he does but then by that token so would (in no particular order) Keane, Cantona, Robson, Giggs, Beckham, Edwards etc. Its not by chance that we have the Holy Trinity outside OT. Of all the players to wear the clubs colours Charlton, Law and Best really were special. Its not only that the three of them were wonderful footballers. What cannot be forgotten or ignored is the 'time' and 'circumstances' of the age.
I suppose there are not many of us on this board that actually were honoured enough to see them play at the height of their powers. To think only 5 years after the devastation of Munich we were marching out at Wembley against Leicester for the FA cup. Busby miraculously and Charlton having survived that crash and with a 23 year old Scottish midget (in todays terms) of a centre forward called Law who we had bought for the incredible sum of £100,000 IIRC from Turin. The following year this good looking Best lad from Belfast broke into the first eleven. Bloody heck what he could do with a football and at pace as well. Forward to 64/65 and we were again league champions. Who could possibly have dreamed it. In fact it was a dream. 7 years after the death of what could have been one of the best teams the world had ever seen and we were back on top. OK maybe not of the world but certainly on top of English football. And at the heart of that side.....Best, Law and Charlton. To top it all Law came away with the Ballon dOr in 64. In 66 Charlton helped England lift the World Cup and won the Ballon dOr himself. 66/67 and again we were champions of England with the three of them at the heart of the side.
Then who could forget Wembley 29th May 68 when Busby lifted the European Cup. 10 years after being the first English side ever to venture into Europe. The memories that flooded back for us fans. God knows how bitter sweet it must have been for Busby, Charlton and some of the other survivors let alone the relatives of those that died. Then Best went and lifted the 68 Ballon d'Or.
To think as well that there have only been 6 British winners of the Ballon dOr. The others being Stanley Matthews, Kevin Keegan (twice) and Michael Owen. With our three coming along at the same time what are the odds of that ever happening again. Amazing, truly amazing.
So that holy trinity statue is very very special and whilst players will come and go at OT who will undoubtedly light it up during their tenure long may the three it honours stand apart.
All of course IMHO.
True, but it's a matter of principle as far as I'm concerned. Records are there to be broken. Rashford should be aspiring to break it, for example.There's a very good chance his record will never be broken, considering how long it took to break Sir Bobby's and how far anyone else is off from breaking it right now.
Thats all speculation though mate, it's fine to hold an opinion based on that but you can't say for definite that Ferguson would have sold him.Nothing to do with the media. It comes from watching SAF manage players over the years and what he's written in his books.
He says over and over that the manager is No.1, that authority can't be challenged. Soon as it is he takes action.
So when he starts to drop a big player in big games, has a public spat and questions that player fitness (he didn't think Rooney could finish games) there's only one ending.
He sold them Heinze and Van Nistelrooy the year before. Plus i always thought he was talking about the 'mob' that were currently running it Calderon etc. as he was unhappy with the way they tapped Ronaldo up. Also he no doubt knew at the time he was going to sell Ronaldo to them."You don't think we'd get into a contract with that mob? I wouldn't sell them a virus'
Definitely mate but i have a feeling we won't be seeing anymore statues going up anytime soon. Not until they sort out what they want to do to the stadium, expansion, new roof, reskinning etc.If anyone from the Ferguson years gets a statue it will be Cantona or Giggs.
Fulham got one for Nani
This. Wait until most of us here grows old. Old people tend to remember only good things about the past.Yes but give it 20 years so we can forget about what a turd he is and remember the footballer.
I'm not sure you needed to answer.Yes.
True. There's no way metal can capture Wayne's eyes. I'd use watercolours.Every football related statue I've ever seen has been shit.
Yeh. This is my ultimate view of a "legend". Football isn't just a statistical number, but encompass much greater emotional values. Otherwise, every football fans would support Barcelona in Pep's era.Dunno, statues (Di Stéfano for Madrid, Eusébio for Benfica) or shirt retirements (Baresi/Maldini for Milan, Maradona for Napoli) are usually reserved for the ultimate legends of a club - players who were larger than life, evoked unparalleled emotions and were without a doubt, THE or one of the very biggest legends of the club. You could argue that the hexad of Cantona (influence over half a decade), Giggs (encompassing most of the Fergie era), Scholes, Edwards (has one in Dudley), Keane and Robson were/are unquestionably bigger legends for what they represented at United (again, in terms of the emotions they evoked), and more deserving of a statue before Wayne - statistical achievement aside. And if you have that many statues, the whole symbolism thing loses a bit of value.
It's polemic. Only God knows.Does statue deserve a Rooney?
You must have high standards when it comes to the construction of a physical shine.Every football related statue I've ever seen has been shit.
Giggs, Becks, Scholes who came through the youths won far more titles and made United a global behemoth after some what 20 odd years in the wilderness. Scholes and Giggs lasted a few generations and were part of 2 CL winning teams. I don't feel winning the Ballon D'or comes into it. These 3 lads were academy products, 2 of whom stayed their entire careers and will come back at some point. Giggs and Scholes could easily get statues. In 30 years time they probably will as they helped bring United back from Liverpool dominance. Its all about timing. In the future, people will be less fixated on the holy trinity and more on the class of 92. Rooney will also become more fondly rememberedAs a Utd legend yes he does but then by that token so would (in no particular order) Keane, Cantona, Robson, Giggs, Beckham, Edwards etc. Its not by chance that we have the Holy Trinity outside OT. Of all the players to wear the clubs colours Charlton, Law and Best really were special. Its not only that the three of them were wonderful footballers. What cannot be forgotten or ignored is the 'time' and 'circumstances' of the age.
I suppose there are not many of us on this board that actually were honoured enough to see them play at the height of their powers. To think only 5 years after the devastation of Munich we were marching out at Wembley against Leicester for the FA cup. Busby miraculously and Charlton having survived that crash and with a 23 year old Scottish midget (in todays terms) of a centre forward called Law who we had bought for the incredible sum of £100,000 IIRC from Turin. The following year this good looking Best lad from Belfast broke into the first eleven. Bloody heck what he could do with a football and at pace as well. Forward to 64/65 and we were again league champions. Who could possibly have dreamed it. In fact it was a dream. 7 years after the death of what could have been one of the best teams the world had ever seen and we were back on top. OK maybe not of the world but certainly on top of English football. And at the heart of that side.....Best, Law and Charlton. To top it all Law came away with the Ballon dOr in 64. In 66 Charlton helped England lift the World Cup and won the Ballon dOr himself. 66/67 and again we were champions of England with the three of them at the heart of the side.
Then who could forget Wembley 29th May 68 when Busby lifted the European Cup. 10 years after being the first English side ever to venture into Europe. The memories that flooded back for us fans. God knows how bitter sweet it must have been for Busby, Charlton and some of the other survivors let alone the relatives of those that died. Then Best went and lifted the 68 Ballon d'Or.
To think as well that there have only been 6 British winners of the Ballon dOr. The others being Stanley Matthews, Kevin Keegan (twice) and Michael Owen. With our three coming along at the same time what are the odds of that ever happening again. Amazing, truly amazing.
So that holy trinity statue is very very special and whilst players will come and go at OT who will undoubtedly light it up during their tenure long may the three it honours stand apart.
All of course IMHO.
Not sure you needed to quote me.I'm not sure you needed to answer.