I remember hearing this kids name a little while ago. Meant to be a fantastic prospect.
How'd he go last season?
dos Santos to Spurs - looks like it
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
How'd he go last season?
Anyone know if he has a Spanish passport?
I'm assuming he must.
I think Barcelona either had him, or signed him at the time we signed Vela (after the WC), which would mean he's been in Spain, at least, as long as Vela has and would thus qualify for his passport.
Also I doubt Spurs would be in for someone they couldn’t sign straight away.
I think Barcelona either had him, or signed him at the time we signed Vela (after the WC), which would mean he's been in Spain, at least, as long as Vela has and would thus qualify for his passport.
Also I doubt Spurs would be in for someone they couldn’t sign straight away.
I believe he has a dual Mexican-Spanish nationality, so they'll be no problems with work permits.
Do you mean 'lightweight' in the sense of work-rate/failing to track-back? Or lightweight in a physical sense - being easily muscled off the ball?
Either way I guess it could be true, but I've barely seen dos Santos play so I don't really know.
However, we've been lacking a left-footed LM for a long time now, so since January we've at least added (with Gilberto as well) to our left-footed LM/LW options, tho' I've also read that dos Santos often plays in RM, cutting inside onto his left-foot for shots at goal.
And for the moment it's enough for me to have brought in a player of whom Ronaldinho has said: "Gio possesses everything I love to watch. He improvises, he dribbles and he loves to score. I have adored watching him in training."
Bostock's the better signing
Pete Storey. Though you were dead mate. Good to see you back.
Berbatov to be announced ours within two days then?
It seems like Chelsea are trying to hi-jack the dos Santos deal at the last minute, with their usual money-no-object approach.
My confidence in signing dos Santos has receded a bit. If it's money he's after and sitting on the bench of a CL club, then he'll go to Chelsea, but if he wants to play regularly he'll come to Spurs.
My confidence in signing dos Santos has receded a bit. If it's money he's after and sitting on the bench of a CL club, then he'll go to Chelsea, but if he wants to play regularly he'll come to Spurs.
He won't be a regular for you guys either, at least not next season.
He's in no way good enough to be starting for you, he might be in a couple of years, if he improves quite a lot.
Malbranque would be a better option than dos Santos.
I was kindda hoping Liverpool would spend a lot of money on dos Santos.
He's had about one good game all season, and been pretty much rubbish in the rest of them, and it's not like he hasn't had any opportunities - Rijkaard has used him over and over again despite often having much better options to choose from.
Dos Santos had his prime as a 5 year old 
Dos Santos had his prime as a 5 year old
South American player has a new EU law in La Liga, you can stay there for 2 years and you get a Spanish passport.
See-saw, my optimism levels rise again following two articles in the Spanish press (google translations):
First from 'Sport':
Dos Santos, about to go to Tottenham
Everything indicates that the Mexican Giovani dos Santos will be the first to leave FC Barcelona
... In the next few hours Giovani dos Santos could be Tottenham Hotspur player who trains Juande Ramos. The Barcelona and the English team yesterday approached their positions to the point that the departure of Barcelona's Mexican player was made by both in England and Barcelona. The amount of the transaction would range between six and eight million [euros], depending on what is included in income variables.
On Thursday afternoon was the key to meeting the transaction between Txiki Begiristain and Pini Zahavi, representative of the Mexican footballer.
With progress Dos Santos to the Spurs closed the door to possible incorporation of young talent in the quarry at Inter, which could offer more money. The Mexican has always dominated the fact go to play England.
The footballer is still recovering at his home in the operation of the left ankle that was submitted after the league ended.
....
Then El Mundo (Catalan Paper i think):
FC Barcelona expects to receive about 8 million euros for the transfer of Giovani dos Santos to Tottenham. The London club was willing to speed up negotiations this weekend to tie the Mexican striker, considered a talent with a very promising future for Juande Ramos, current coach of the 'spurs', which will dispute the next edition of the Uefa Cup .
Marc UK, sports club vice president and technical secretary Txiki Begiristain are at the forefront of the talks with an emissary of the White Hart Lane club, which has been imposed to Inter in recent days in the bid by Giovani. The international Aztec, with 19 years of age last May 11, already had a long emigration that if he did not see clear options to consolidate in the Camp Nou. Dos Santos, which debuted officially with the first team in the just ended season and is recovering from an operation on the left ankle made on May 19, believes that his age can not be waiting for his opportunity and that the jump to the Premier League may prove decisive in this phase of his football career.
True to the philosophy imposed on its stage in Seville, Juande Ramos wants to bet on players who have not yet exploited. The Croatian midfielder Luka Modric, signed from Dinamo Zagreb for 26 million euros, is an example.
First from 'Sport':
Dos Santos, about to go to Tottenham
Everything indicates that the Mexican Giovani dos Santos will be the first to leave FC Barcelona
... In the next few hours Giovani dos Santos could be Tottenham Hotspur player who trains Juande Ramos. The Barcelona and the English team yesterday approached their positions to the point that the departure of Barcelona's Mexican player was made by both in England and Barcelona. The amount of the transaction would range between six and eight million [euros], depending on what is included in income variables.
On Thursday afternoon was the key to meeting the transaction between Txiki Begiristain and Pini Zahavi, representative of the Mexican footballer.
With progress Dos Santos to the Spurs closed the door to possible incorporation of young talent in the quarry at Inter, which could offer more money. The Mexican has always dominated the fact go to play England.
The footballer is still recovering at his home in the operation of the left ankle that was submitted after the league ended.
....
Then El Mundo (Catalan Paper i think):
FC Barcelona expects to receive about 8 million euros for the transfer of Giovani dos Santos to Tottenham. The London club was willing to speed up negotiations this weekend to tie the Mexican striker, considered a talent with a very promising future for Juande Ramos, current coach of the 'spurs', which will dispute the next edition of the Uefa Cup .
Marc UK, sports club vice president and technical secretary Txiki Begiristain are at the forefront of the talks with an emissary of the White Hart Lane club, which has been imposed to Inter in recent days in the bid by Giovani. The international Aztec, with 19 years of age last May 11, already had a long emigration that if he did not see clear options to consolidate in the Camp Nou. Dos Santos, which debuted officially with the first team in the just ended season and is recovering from an operation on the left ankle made on May 19, believes that his age can not be waiting for his opportunity and that the jump to the Premier League may prove decisive in this phase of his football career.
True to the philosophy imposed on its stage in Seville, Juande Ramos wants to bet on players who have not yet exploited. The Croatian midfielder Luka Modric, signed from Dinamo Zagreb for 26 million euros, is an example.
Glaston have you ever seen him play before?
Nope, apart from a few highlights clips. It's muppetry perhaps, but I want him at Spurs based on the views of those who have seen him play a lot, based on Ronaldinho's glowing tributes and an intuition that he could become absolute dynamite.
Besides, if the fees reported in the spanish articles are corrrect, it's not an awful lot to gamble in the face of how good he potentially could become.
His nothing like Ronaldinho, i have seen him play his not that special as i first thought he would be.
Nonetheless he still has potential and can turn out to be a great buy
Nonetheless he still has potential and can turn out to be a great buy
He's been getting better and more confident towards the end of season. He may eventually turn good under proper conduct.
From what i have seen he is a one footed player, even though from the youtube clip it shows his not scared to use his right foot, could lack of confidence or pressure.
His dribbling skills was one of the major let down for, he struggled to beat players and when La Liga is the place for flair players, he didn't do it, and is a light weight, he falls down the second someone touches him.
When Ronaldinho hyped him up i immediately thought he will be type of player who beat players with ease with their tricks but his more of a Robben player to me.
I haven't yet seen his creative side of game, from the games i have seen, so he has a lot to prove when he comes to EPL.
I was thinking about the physical side but now that you've mentioned it, their work-rate/tracking back could be a problem for you guys. Lennon has showed he can track back when ask to, not sure about Gio.
I think even if he signs for you, the difficult part would be to find a balance in the team. Maybe play 4-3-3 or something..
None Barca attacking players track back, and it has been shown against us.
Aye. Henry did more tracking back in his few minutes than anyone else up front did combined it seemed. Pretty telling that.
Probably because none of your attacking players got into their half let alone any of your defenders.
How did we score?
We hardly had them on the back foot now did we? Why would attacking players just start running backwards for the sake of it? There is an obsession on here with the defeinsive ability of attackers, even centre forwards. We should just sign Kuyt!
So your saying Messi, Ronaldihno, Eto, and co track backs? i haven't seen them, they always rely on the defensive midfielder and the intelligence of Xavi and Iniesta
Fair summary.
If Berba goes Ramo could go 4-2-31 like he did at Sevilla when he played Saviola infront of 5 midfielders. In your case he would probably do this:
---------------------------New keeper-----------------------
----Hutton----------Woodgate-------King------------Gilberto/Bale
------------------New DM-----Jenas/Huddlestone-------------
---Lennon/Malbranque-------Modric-----------Dos Santos/Capel
-------------------------Keane--------------------------------
Who fecking cares if they can track back? Especially if If they can keep the opponents fully occupied in the opposite half? Seriously....
Did an in ability to track back make a Zidane, for example, any less of an excellent player?
He is a player Spurs lack right now, someone who can combine skill and pace. He was over hyped to say the least but he is definitely a cut above Malbranque and Lennon. He and Capel will become the new wingers with Modric and possibly a new defensive midfielder in the centre. As long as Dunne comes, the team will do well. Defensively strong(injuries withstanding) and very creative all over, they still lack some real steel in midfield but that may not be too much of a problem.
I'm not sure Keane would do too well up front on his own, he did seem to suffer while playing there for Ireland. Other than that it looks like a great team.
In terms of a lone striker Bent would probably be the better choice (in the absence of Berbatov).
He often played the lone striker very well for Charlton and got a sackful of league goals: with Modric, Lennon, Jenas and dos Santos - midfield support that's miles better than what Charlton ever gave him - he would likely do the same for Spurs.
There's a popular misconception that Bent has flopped at Spurs, when in fact he has a better goals-per-minute-played ratio than Berbatov. His problem so far has been a lack of playing chances - not surprising when Keane/Berbatov have ruled the roost.
I was definitely thinking that myself but would you be willing to take Keane out of the team to accommodate that formation?
I thought that while Bent was overpriced, he almost definitely is the best striker in the Premier League who is regularly on the bench. I'm a big fan of his but he just isn't better than Berbatov or Keane.
I still think that Jenas in midfield makes your team easy to overrun, I think Poulsen could be a good shout for Spurs?
Hey , you've finally seen the light Berbatov is massively over-rated as a top flight centre forward 12 league goals in 2006/7 and 15 last year.
He has a better shot to goal ratio than our current strikers, so at least he is an improvement there. Then you add in the fact he offers us the long ball option in desperate times, he's a fairly good header of the ball and he has more creativity than Tevez and there you have it, a great signing.
Don't get me wrong, I dislike him and his playing style, but he definitely seems to be one of those players that could instantly click with Rooney and they could have an almost telepathic connection, like Saha and Rooney did.
Oh no, don't get Storey started on our strikers.
He has a better shot to goal ratio than our current strikers, so at least he is an improvement there. Then you add in the fact he offers us the long ball option in desperate times, he's a fairly good header of the ball and he has more creativity than Tevez and there you have it, a great signing.
Don't get me wrong, I dislike him and his playing style, but he definitely seems to be one of those players that could instantly click with Rooney and they could have an almost telepathic connection, like Saha and Rooney did.
Storey is an Arsenal supporter, which you'll soon find out if you stick around.
I see, and he thinks that our strikers are shit?
It's not difficult to work out if you read the description on the tin. And I'm sworn to silence on the subject of *****.
For some games, yes. It depends on the nature of the opposition and the type of game best suited.
Effective DM, but dirty as hell - personally I wouldn't want that type of player at Spurs. I'd prefer a true footballing DM.
5 asterisks. The 5 - 1 thrashing perchance?
I don't blame you for keeping mum ... a dignified silence is the best policy
