As if you give a shit. Stan's voting for Pim Fortuijn.
Dutch general elections on Wednesday!
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I was chatting to a cloggy mate of mine last night and he was saying that this election comes after the last parliament managed an impressive 87 days in office. He was also saying that the election was being held at a cost to the taxpayer of 3bn Euros! He was also very drunk as is generally the case when he calls but usually he has this kind of fact right.
It's the cloggies own fault for voting for LPF <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
It looks like the duth PVDA will get in this time with CDA
It looks like the duth PVDA will get in this time with CDA
Are you allowed to vote? (Not do you, just are you)
Nope, don't have a cloggy nationality. Id probably vote SP if I could.
I think that's out of order don't you? That because you're not a national you can't vote. I think all EU nationals should be allowed to vote in the elections for the country in which they reside. Not that I'd vote or anything, it's just the principle of it all.
We do elections properly in Europe so there won't be months of legal wrangling as has been known to happen in another country not mentioning any names but it wasn't in Europe... 
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...I wouldnt want the dutch nationality because I don't feel dutch in that way, I wouldnt be true to myself. I will get the dutch nationality the day I start supporting their football team over England....
As for voting, Im normaly not that bothered but since alot of the Dutch have suddendly become right winged (and racist) I wouldnt mind voting now. TBH Im a bit worried at the lack of tollerence in the Dutch society at the moment.
As for voting, Im normaly not that bothered but since alot of the Dutch have suddendly become right winged (and racist) I wouldnt mind voting now. TBH Im a bit worried at the lack of tollerence in the Dutch society at the moment.
Anyway, the point is with free movement of people within the EU, it's just as likely that a German will vote for the "wrong" party and then feck off abroad himself. We live here and should be allowed to vote.
Intolerance is something I think is sweeping across Europe Rams. As soon as the economy improves I'm sure this sentiment will disappear again......until the next downturn when people will find somebody to blame again - those unlike themselves of course.
Intolerance is something I think is sweeping across Europe Rams. As soon as the economy improves I'm sure this sentiment will disappear again......until the next downturn when people will find somebody to blame again - those unlike themselves of course.
I've got nothing against the Right Wing views of the people and the party's but what i find incredible is that all parties are using this 'Right Attitude' for their campaign as it is popular with the people.
If a party had the power and the determination to send 'Johnny Wog' home, there would be no differance felt by the public and the economy would not sudddenly shoot through the roof and that's the impression they're all giving out.
My missus is all for machine gunning every tanned person in the country, so am i usually, but not for the same reason. I had to persuade her that there would be noi difference if there was ethnic cleansing or something of the same ilk. If people aren't happy with the current situation well it's their own fault for welcoming allcomers when things were good and jobs were aplenty. You cant pick and choose when you want people to enter your country and when you'd like them to leave, not if you have pre determined that they have a right to stay for an unlimited time.
Talk of Turks an Morrocans sponging dolo money without interest in working is not entirely true. Most of these people, especially the Turks, live together in communities and any money coming in tends to stay in that community. Some of them probably have less need for social security than the average Dutch person.
I've no problem with anyone wanting to get rid of these people but it must be for the right reason. Just jumping on the bandwagon to catch the popular vote is pathetic.
If a party had the power and the determination to send 'Johnny Wog' home, there would be no differance felt by the public and the economy would not sudddenly shoot through the roof and that's the impression they're all giving out.
My missus is all for machine gunning every tanned person in the country, so am i usually, but not for the same reason. I had to persuade her that there would be noi difference if there was ethnic cleansing or something of the same ilk. If people aren't happy with the current situation well it's their own fault for welcoming allcomers when things were good and jobs were aplenty. You cant pick and choose when you want people to enter your country and when you'd like them to leave, not if you have pre determined that they have a right to stay for an unlimited time.
Talk of Turks an Morrocans sponging dolo money without interest in working is not entirely true. Most of these people, especially the Turks, live together in communities and any money coming in tends to stay in that community. Some of them probably have less need for social security than the average Dutch person.
I've no problem with anyone wanting to get rid of these people but it must be for the right reason. Just jumping on the bandwagon to catch the popular vote is pathetic.
What are the "right reasons" Stanley?
Didn't read the whole topic. Don't care about politics.
Yesterday I voted for the first time in my life.
Not on Harry Potter though.
Actually I wanted to vote for the Party of the Future of Johan Vlemminx (I pass his 'Soestdijk II' every time I go to PSVtrainings)
They want a minister of Party
I voted for the PvdA coz they are the nicest one for students. But I didn't like their candidate for MP. Cohen is major of Amsterdam and always obliges PSVsupporters to come by train.
Yesterday I voted for the first time in my life.
Not on Harry Potter though.
Actually I wanted to vote for the Party of the Future of Johan Vlemminx (I pass his 'Soestdijk II' every time I go to PSVtrainings)
They want a minister of Party
I voted for the PvdA coz they are the nicest one for students. But I didn't like their candidate for MP. Cohen is major of Amsterdam and always obliges PSVsupporters to come by train.
It's back to reality for the Dutch after this one, I guess. With the whole Pim Fortuyn-Story behind them, they can get on with things.
I guess the right-wing attitude will slowly disappear now aswell, it's probably not more than a hype they picked up on because it was an easy way to win votes at the time. (you could call it the ManUtd of Dutch politics <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Just kidding, guys)
On a serious note: I'm all for Europeans to be allowed to vote in the country they live in and you are allowed to vote in local elections already. However, it will probably be the Brits who'll block it anyway (as is the case for most things)...
I guess the right-wing attitude will slowly disappear now aswell, it's probably not more than a hype they picked up on because it was an easy way to win votes at the time. (you could call it the ManUtd of Dutch politics <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Just kidding, guys)
On a serious note: I'm all for Europeans to be allowed to vote in the country they live in and you are allowed to vote in local elections already. However, it will probably be the Brits who'll block it anyway (as is the case for most things)...
Originally posted by The Red Machine:
<strong>It's back to reality for the Dutch after this one, I guess. With the whole Pim Fortuyn-Story behind them, they can get on with things.
I guess the right-wing attitude will slowly disappear now aswell, it's probably not more than a hype they picked up on because it was an easy way to win votes at the time. (you could call it the ManUtd of Dutch politics <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Just kidding, guys)
On a serious note: I'm all for Europeans to be allowed to vote in the country they live in and you are allowed to vote in local elections already. However, it will probably be the Brits who'll block it anyway (as is the case for most things)...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Didn't you forget something?? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
DD
a 20 year old bump of a thread, must be some kind of record 
Apparently there haven't been too many threads on dutch elections since and I wasn't planning on providing any meaningful information (besides it being today), so I didn't want to start a new one. Did consider the notice that says don't bump old threads but the Wednesday bit made me ignore ita 20 year old bump of a thread, must be some kind of record
.Well to be fair, Mark Rutte has reigned for almost the entirety of those 20 years. Even if we did have some elections. I voted for the leftish block of PVDA/ Groenlinks. I usualy vote SP (our socialist party), but Frans Timmermans looks like he has a chance to actually win and with that a chance to have an atleast sort of progressive coalition for once. Sadly Geert Wilders is also bigger than ever and somehow VVD is just entirely indestructible.
I bet @Cheimoon votes for Jesse Klaver, since he looks almost exactly like Justin Trudeau. Though maybe a sort of "bitch Stewie" knock off of Justin.
I bet @Cheimoon votes for Jesse Klaver, since he looks almost exactly like Justin Trudeau. Though maybe a sort of "bitch Stewie" knock off of Justin.
Impressive that the OP could see Wednesday 20 years into the future.
Not sure how a possible coalition would work or even look like but surely Yesilgöz would be better than Wilders or having to govern with Baudet (God forbid)?
Fast forward 20 years and Stan’s now voting for Thierry Bidet.
Always on the left. I have been switching between GroenLinks, PvdA, and SP over the years, usually for strategic reasons, and doing the same this year made me end up with PvdA/GroenLinks, for the reason you stated. But with the other big parties being NSC, VVD, and PVV, a right-ist coalition looks more likely either way. From my perspective, I would just have to hope PvdA/GroenLinks becomes the biggest party and will have the first shot at creating a coalition, cause otherwise I can see them being left out.
It's funny actually: the Netherlands are internationally seen as a progressive country, but there has never been a progressive majority politically, and the left hasn't really been a major player ever since the purple coalitions of the 90s. But then I would anyway also have lots of comments to make on that progressive image, so that kinda fits.
Anyway, I'm curious what will happen post-elections. It was very hard to form a coalition last time round because of the splintering of parliament into dozens of parties, and even though there will most likely be more big parties this time round, they might still find it hard to create a coalition together. Dutch politics went through a series of mergers a long time ago, when the CDA and GroenLinks etc. were formed, and it looks like it's time for that again: BBB, NSC, and CDA might as well be together, same for PVV and FvD, a bunch of tiny parties could be merged into bigger ones, and of course GroenLinks and PvdA are doing it already. I know they all have their differences, and ChristenUnie has been doing alright lately as the final piece of coalition puzzles, but in terms of wielding political power, it really is helpful to be a bigger block together.
Let's tag a bunch of other people in the Netherlands as well: @BrilliantOrange, @Stadjer, @Rams, @Stanley Road, @Terranova, @Samoerai Jack, @Rapsel, @Eendracht maakt macht, @ArjenIsM3, @DutchSerb; maybe also @King Kendrick and @BenitoSTARR as avid Eredivisie followers.
I still can’t vote!
When did that ever stop anyone from commenting on politics?
I’d vote for the NSB or communist party
I’m voting for the Schmoke and a pancake party. Isn’t that veird?!
Will vote later today. Last time around I voted SP (a first since I'm actually more right wing than left) but since doing that this time would make a radical left coalition with GL-PVDA more likely (which would be catastrophic) I'm definitely not going to do that this time. Maybe JA21 (best fit according to Stemwijzer), maybe NSC (best in the debate yesterday). Not sure yet. Weird how VVD is still so big after they fecked up the last 10+ years causing crisis after crisis along with D66. Even weirder considering how bad Yeşilgöz was in the debate yesterday.
Voted d66, which fit my moderately progressive views the best. Did wonder about Omtzigt though. It's a big change in the Dutch political landscape that there are now two serious parties that align economically left and socially right. Not to mention PVV also moving in that direction. Very interesting!
Still think VVD will come out on top. Yesilgöz has done a good job taking over from Rutte.
Still think VVD will come out on top. Yesilgöz has done a good job taking over from Rutte.
I voted for Big T Franna!
Always on the left. I have been switching between GroenLinks, PvdA, and SP over the years, usually for strategic reasons, and doing the same this year made me end up with PvdA/GroenLinks, for the reason you stated. But with the other big parties being NSC, VVD, and PVV, a right-ist coalition looks more likely either way. From my perspective, I would just have to hope PvdA/GroenLinks becomes the biggest party and will have the first shot at creating a coalition, cause otherwise I can see them being left out.
It's funny actually: the Netherlands are internationally seen as a progressive country, but there has never been a progressive majority politically, and the left hasn't really been a major player ever since the purple coalitions of the 90s. But then I would anyway also have lots of comments to make on that progressive image, so that kinda fits.
Anyway, I'm curious what will happen post-elections. It was very hard to form a coalition last time round because of the splintering of parliament into dozens of parties, and even though there will most likely be more big parties this time round, they might still find it hard to create a coalition together. Dutch politics went through a series of mergers a long time ago, when the CDA and GroenLinks etc. were formed, and it looks like it's time for that again: BBB, NSC, and CDA might as well be together, same for PVV and FvD, a bunch of tiny parties could be merged into bigger ones, and of course GroenLinks and PvdA are doing it already. I know they all have their differences, and ChristenUnie has been doing alright lately as the final piece of coalition puzzles, but in terms of wielding political power, it really is helpful to be a bigger block together.
Let's tag a bunch of other people in the Netherlands as well: @BrilliantOrange, @Stadjer, @Rams, @Stanley Road, @Terranova, @Samoerai Jack, @Rapsel, @Eendracht maakt macht, @ArjenIsM3, @DutchSerb; maybe also @King Kendrick and @BenitoSTARR as avid Eredivisie followers.
Frans Timmermans for me.. Im afraid for a right majority, but Im also always on the left!
Always on the left. I have been switching between GroenLinks, PvdA, and SP over the years, usually for strategic reasons, and doing the same this year made me end up with PvdA/GroenLinks, for the reason you stated. But with the other big parties being NSC, VVD, and PVV, a right-ist coalition looks more likely either way. From my perspective, I would just have to hope PvdA/GroenLinks becomes the biggest party and will have the first shot at creating a coalition, cause otherwise I can see them being left out.
It's funny actually: the Netherlands are internationally seen as a progressive country, but there has never been a progressive majority politically, and the left hasn't really been a major player ever since the purple coalitions of the 90s. But then I would anyway also have lots of comments to make on that progressive image, so that kinda fits.
Anyway, I'm curious what will happen post-elections. It was very hard to form a coalition last time round because of the splintering of parliament into dozens of parties, and even though there will most likely be more big parties this time round, they might still find it hard to create a coalition together. Dutch politics went through a series of mergers a long time ago, when the CDA and GroenLinks etc. were formed, and it looks like it's time for that again: BBB, NSC, and CDA might as well be together, same for PVV and FvD, a bunch of tiny parties could be merged into bigger ones, and of course GroenLinks and PvdA are doing it already. I know they all have their differences, and ChristenUnie has been doing alright lately as the final piece of coalition puzzles, but in terms of wielding political power, it really is helpful to be a bigger block together.
Let's tag a bunch of other people in the Netherlands as well: @BrilliantOrange, @Stadjer, @Rams, @Stanley Road, @Terranova, @Samoerai Jack, @Rapsel, @Eendracht maakt macht, @ArjenIsM3, @DutchSerb; maybe also @King Kendrick and @BenitoSTARR as avid Eredivisie followers.
The SP is interesting. The politically big left has (in many countries) not actually been very leftist economically for a long time now, and most 'leftist talk' has rather been about progressive issues (diversity and inclusion) - except of course for the SP, which has never wavered from its socialist course. But in turn, they are actually a little conservative elsewhere (although usually motivated through socialist ideas with a somewhat nationalist focus). In that sense, they're effectively sometimes not that far off from Wilders, who aside from his Islamophobia has a fairly left-wing agenda in some other aspects (and of course the nationalist focus). That makes these parties a difficult fit for the usual news reporting, but I get why people might be interested in both. (I know you said JA21, but I don't think they have that leftist bend, so I'm just kinda taking that as a jumping point.
)Of course, my personal hobby horse is that I don't get why the left hasn't been talking more about economic equity, cause that's what bothers people - and by leaving that unaddressed, they've allowed the right to attract that segment of the population through populist rhetorics. Such a mess. At least it has been firmly back on the agenda in these elections!
There is no way anyone wants Baudet in their government. Fvd is not a serious party at this point. Arjen Lubach gave the perfect definition, they're a webshop with an agressive marketing team. Actually, like most grifters in politics.
SP is more radical left than PVDA - GL though. It's why I usually vote for them. There's really nothing radical about the PVDA, though I realize the term radical has kinda lost its meaning since people used it to describe Robespierre and his **** of the supreme being.