Bigotry aside, what do they think the word "pronoun" means? Did they just "learn" it in connection with the trans debate and think it only means something in that context?
Elon Musk | Owner of X
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Pat/riotNot gonna lie, I did laugh at "my pronoun is Patriot".
That is pretty hilarious tbh
Clearly similar to how some people on the right think woke is some blanket term to be applied to anything they don’t like to their left.
Would a bible with all the actual pronouns edited out be a good business idea?
Who said he wasn't allowed to agree with him? You can hold whatever your opinion you want, and I can call you out on it if I feel it's fair. In this case he jumped to Musk's defense before quickly agreeing that the main part of it, clearly the part that the original poster had a problem with, was obviously wrong. Revan has a history on here of defending Musk to a sometimes embarrassing degree.
To his credit he does sometimes see through Musk, and he used to be a lot more adamant about defending him.
Man I love being able to post conjecture without having to back it up. It's what makes the caf great.
This is absolutely 100% the case, which makes it all the funnier.
Also my experience, everyone says it doesn't affect productivity at all, it's the opposite in many cases.
It doesn't even need to be to their left, just something that annoys them slightly for no apparent reason. I mate told me he heard a guy at the beach saying the city has gone woke because they put more trash bins at the beach. Insanity.That is pretty hilarious tbh
Clearly similar to how some people on the right think woke is some blanket term to be applied to anything they don’t like to their left.
You're being too reductionist, and you probably know it yourself.
It shouldn't make a difference to the lease signed in Jan 2020 whether it's being used or not
Do you have anything to back up the claim in bold?
not really. care to explain?
The way I look at it, seasoned executives/engineers/PM's etc can work as productively from home as from the office. If they've got the work discipline and work ethic that is.
Younger employees, who don't know their ass from their elbow (talking about finance, law, startups) need to be in the office to learn from seasoned employees. If you're a junior trader / investment banker/ lawyer / marketing person you really better off showing up in the office to learn from your seasoned colleagues - that's obvious.
Morality's got nothing to do with it
Paypal success had nothing to do with gov't subsidies for one
Its pretty much the opposite of what you're saying. The stat I've seen is that productivity of those working from home is higher than when they worked in an office (no commute time, more comfort, more family time = happier employee etc.) and 40% of those who teleworked from home during the pandemic are saying they will seek other jobs if they are forced back to the office. This has been the norm in tech for many years and i can see how various tech companies would crack down on things like telework employees who rarely log in during the day and that sort of thing, but the broader concept of telework is here to stay.
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WFH works fairly well in traditional engineering (Electrical, Mechanical, Civil, etc.). Partly because there isn't the level of innovation in this field compared to Big Tech. Partly because very few people get into traditional engineering considering how hot Tech is right now, so engineering firms don't have the talent pool to force people to come to office, they would just join another firm which allows WFH.
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'All big companies' translated from @Revan speak means Google, Meta and a few other tech companies he deems elite.
I suppose it's industry specific
Banking / Big law are requesting butts in the office
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/12/business/jpmorgan-return-to-office-five-days/index.html
https://www.abajournal.com/news/art...y-a-week-schedule-one-ties-attendance-to-cash
He didn’t even say big companies, rather “pretty much all companies”.
Purely from my own anecdotal experience the norm is a hybrid approach with 2 days in the office, but there’s lots who don’t even do that. Seniority and experience plays a part in it, but the idea that there’s a blanket rejection of WFH seems highly unlikely to me.
didn’t say PayPal had anything to do with subsidies. everyone under the sun knows it’s regarding tesla. but let’s play this game, so how exactly did he get money to invest in PayPal?
I'd say this is more rhetorical than reality
It's galling to these morons seeing a giant, empty office they're paying huge cash out too.
Is that a fahct or opinion?
I corrected in my next post that I was talking for big tech companies. I mean, we are talking for Musk (so Tesla), I thought that was obvious.
Wikipedia is your friend
Zip2
In 1995, Musk, his brother Kimbal, and Greg Kouri founded Zip2.[49][50] Errol Musk provided them with $28,000 in funding.[51] The company developed an Internet city guide with maps, directions, and yellow pages, and marketed it to newspapers.[52] They worked at a small rented office in Palo Alto,[53] Musk coding the website every night.[53] Eventually, Zip2 obtained contracts with The New York Times and the Chicago Tribune.[43] The brothers persuaded the board of directors to abandon a merger with CitySearch;[54] however, Musk's attempts to become CEO were thwarted.[55] Compaq acquired Zip2 for $307 million in cash in February 1999,[56][57] and Musk received $22 million for his 7-percent share.[58]
X.com and PayPal
Later in 1999, Musk co-founded X.com, an online financial services and e-mail payment company.[59] X.com was one of the first federally insured online banks, and over 200,000 customers joined in its initial months of operation.[60] Even though Musk founded the company, investors regarded him as inexperienced and replaced him with Intuit CEO Bill Harris by the end of the year.[61]
In 2000, X.com merged with online bank Confinity to avoid competition,[53][61][62] as Confinity's money-transfer service PayPal was more popular than X.com's service.[63] Musk then returned as CEO of the merged company. His preference for Microsoft over Unix-based software caused a rift among the company's employees, and led Peter Thiel, Confinity's founder, to resign.[64] With the company suffering from compounding technological issues and the lack of a cohesive business model, the board ousted Musk and replaced him with Thiel in September 2000.[65]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#cite_note-69 Under Thiel, the company focused on the money-transfer service and was renamed PayPal in 2001.[67][68]
In 2002, PayPal was acquired by eBay for $1.5 billion in stock, of which Musk—the largest shareholder with 11.72% of shares—received $175.8 million.[69][70]
I think it's Elon who is spectacularly bad at it
If your previous post was just about tech then that would be more accurate, although even in tech, you're not going to suddenly have bustling offices after years of telework without severely disrupting workforce levels, since a lot of people are simply accustomed to working from home at this stage, and are still likely to look for jobs elsewhere if suddenly confronted by a Musk like edict.
As @Suedesi said above, it is going to vary wildly by industry.
He's spectacularly unfunny - even though he tries really hard to be
I work for a very large tech company, and they've said they want hybrid workers to come in 2 days a week, but allowed anyone that wants to switch to remote to do so, with no salary implications.
They could provide absolutely no evidence of productivity issues, and never even tried to claim that as the reason for the turnaround, they cited the impression of customers and the wider market in general(read as old rich guys like musk that don't believe in wfh) as the reason for it.
that’s a whole lotta copying and pasting to avoid saying the obvious aka his dad helped helped him with a handout. just for reference this was my post you were replying to btw
Right, the $28,000 from his dad really made the difference in Elon's outcome in life. If Tesla went bankrupt without gov't subsidies (GM, Ford etc got handouts too), I reckon Elon would have still been able to raise money from VC's on other projects given his stellar track record (X, Paypal, SpaceX) and he'd been wildly successful regardless.
My point in this thread before you chimed in with your reductionist drivel was that the type of 30-yr old who takes on NASA and GM/Ford/Chrysler at the same time is someone who operates in his distorted version of reality. Not in an egotistical way, but in a genuine, believe-it-in-your-bones way. The type of person who can dump a personal fortune into colonizing Mars is not the kind of person that worries about the downsides of hyperbole or Twitter etiquette.
You are missing the forest for the trees - but by all means continue to rage at every Elon tweet - I'm sure it's productive and cathartic...
You are aware that this is the Elon Musk + Twitter thread? If you don't find it relevant, interesting or cathartic, you don't have to read it.
Yes anyone using the term "woke" to criticise anything is generally not worth listening to at all since it doesn't mean anything anymore.
I saw someone commenting in Danish on an article shared on Facebook that it was another problem with all the "WOKE" stuff. The article was about a very fancy, very expensive cake and it was apparently woke that the cake was expensive.
Woke definition is very clear. "Something that annoys me for no good reason."
Which bit in that section says Musk was behind PayPal's success? It seems to suggest that was something Confinity already had created before the merge.
ummm it literally did. unless you live in an alternate reality where you don’t need money, or investors to start a business venture. if my barely two-sentence reply is rage-fueled drivel? I am not sure what the rest of your entire post is. also to your point about PayPal’s success, musk got fired six months in for sucking at his job. so you are wrong on that count as well.
Is this productive?
You're in here acting like a teenager in the front row of a Taylor Swift concert. Presumably because you enjoy it.
Was he wrong or is that your opinion?
Your point about him not knowing him was bizarre, do you have to know someone to share an opinion or agree with them?
It's Revan's opinion...