Of course I would do that. Pretty much any rational investor would do so.So, you think objective buyer would rather buy Tesla than Volkswagen if he was offered both for same money? Would you do it?
Of course I would do that. Pretty much any rational investor would do so.So, you think objective buyer would rather buy Tesla than Volkswagen if he was offered both for same money? Would you do it?
A sizeable portion of Tesla's value is in its battery technology.The world’s largest car company by value is really ridiculous stuff. By predicted future value, by stock value, etc., would maybe make some sense, but they are not worth anyhwere near the likes of Volkswagen, Merc, who have probably ten times biggest value in terms of factories value, sales, etc
https://online.hbs.edu/blog/post/how-to-value-a-company
Someone should tell that nerd there's only one objective way, not six.
I've seen that said before, but as far as I can tell Panasonic & LG make Tesla batteries. I've seen reports that they may bring it in-house in the future, but for now they're made externally I think.A sizeable portion of Tesla's value is in its battery technology.
You obviously have no idea how big Volkswagen is, and are totally into Tesla hype. No real businessman would buy Tesla before Volkswagen for same money. Actually I don't think anyone sane who knows how business are actually run(and not just studied it without real life experience) would buy Tesla for half before Volkswagen for full price, because it's totally dependable on single next car and crazyman behind their keyboard doing shady things on stock market.Of course I would do that. Pretty much any rational investor would do so.
https://online.hbs.edu/blog/post/how-to-value-a-company
Someone should tell that nerd there's only one objective way, not six.
Then go tell those hedge fund managers and other people to swap Tesla stocks for VW’s (especially considering that they are roughly 6 times or so cheaper, 1T va 150B evaluation or so) and tell them that they know nothing.You obviously have no idea how big Volkswagen is, and are totally into Tesla hype. No real businessman would buy Tesla before Volkswagen for same money. Actually I don't think anyone sane who knows how business are actually run(and not just studied it without real life experience) would buy Tesla for half before Volkswagen for full price, because it's totally dependable on single next car and crazyman behind their keyboard doing shady things on stock market.
That's all by the by though if no-one is willing to pay the higher value you seem to think it's worth.The world’s largest car company by value is really ridiculous stuff. By predicted future value, by stock value, etc., would maybe make some sense, but they are not worth anyhwere near the likes of Volkswagen, Merc, who have probably ten times biggest value in terms of factories value, sales, etc.
The words you are looking for, are leadership and a sense of direction. That's ultimately what Musk provides his companies - as SAF provided for United. He also puts his money where his mouth is. The reason why SpaceX is for example, building Starship, is because Musk wants it to. (Whether it gets people to Mars is immaterial at the end of the day, because even if it doesn't it is going to transform launch economics). It would be very easy to imagine a world where SpaceX stopped development and settled for milking its 75% market share, with someone else in charge. People who invest in his companies (and I mean the smart VC money, not the dumb speculator money) aren't just investing in his companies, they are investing in his ability to deliver big things.It's not really the same though, there is one degree of separation between a football manager and their players, we have no real idea what Musk is coming up with himself and at what level. What actual novel ideas has he himself personally developed? I've no problem saying he's a great businessman, but I don't put much stock in that in terms of astounding humans.
Wow, you're right. A friend of mine who swears by Tesla's valuation said it is their batter tech that drives the valuation. He must be mistaken and i stand corrected.I've seen that said before, but as far as I can tell Panasonic & LG make Tesla batteries. I've seen reports that they may bring it in-house in the future, but for now they're made externally I think.
That's great, doesn't really have anything to do with what I have said though, if anything it re-enforces my point.The words you are looking for, are leadership and a sense of direction. That's ultimately what Musk provides his companies - as SAF provided for United. He also puts his money where his mouth is. The reason why SpaceX is for example, building Starship, is because Musk wants it to. (Whether it gets people to Mars is immaterial at the end of the day, because even if it doesn't it is going to transform launch economics). It would be very easy to imagine a world where SpaceX stopped development and settled for milking its 75% market share, with someone else in charge. People who invest in his companies (and I mean the smart VC money, not the dumb speculator money) aren't just investing in his companies, they are investing in his ability to deliver big things.
Indeed, with echoes of Trump's emotional immaturity. And if Musk gains control of Twitter, then for sure he will invite Trump back onboard in the name of "free speech".I don't think many people have issues with his entrepreneurial achievements, but rather, as you point out with him being a manchild. What made me change my opinion about him was the "paedo naming" incident.
I don't think this is true. I see plenty of business folks driving a Tesla.You obviously have no idea how big Volkswagen is, and are totally into Tesla hype. No real businessman would buy Tesla before Volkswagen for same money. Actually I don't think anyone sane who knows how business are actually run(and not just studied it without real life experience) would buy Tesla for half before Volkswagen for full price, because it's totally dependable on single next car and crazyman behind their keyboard doing shady things on stock market.
I assume you mean Tesla without Musk staying on as CEO?You obviously have no idea how big Volkswagen is, and are totally into Tesla hype. No real businessman would buy Tesla before Volkswagen for same money. Actually I don't think anyone sane who knows how business are actually run(and not just studied it without real life experience) would buy Tesla for half before Volkswagen for full price, because it's totally dependable on single next car and crazyman behind their keyboard doing shady things on stock market.
I think I saw that as of last week (at least in the UK) they have withdrawn the right of anybody taking a tesla on lease to buy it at the end of the contract... i assumed that this was to give them a critical mass of self driving cars so they could basically have their own uber type service with no driver costs... something like that could be a game changer for them as wellTesla are only at about 14% of the global EV market share, which will fall by the year as others (specifically VW, BMW, Mercedes and the US and Japanese big companies) catch up. Thus, the farcically inflated TSLA share price will at some point go down like a Led Zeppelin imo.
What Musk does have going for him is that advantage of having a Car/Battery/Charging Infrastructure ecosystem in place well before the competition, which if he adds marketshare by releasing the Model 2 (or whatever name its given), will cut into the sales of competition. Its still not a $1k stock, but could wind up settling at about $300-400 range.
Volkswagen has factories that have actual value. Buildings, infrastucture are worth for banks, banks give you loan based on colaterall you give to them, they don't give you loans based on future predictions.That's all by the by though if no-one is willing to pay the higher value you seem to think it's worth.
Buying stocks is completely different to buying entire company, you seem to think that the value of one stock presents the value of entire company. Value of the stock changes every day, and value of actual infrastructure, products, history, is pretty much consistent and something that holds value.Then go tell those hedge fund managers and other people to swap Tesla stocks for VW’s (especially considering that they are roughly 6 times or so cheaper, 1T va 150B evaluation or so) and tell them that they know nothing.
For what is worth I think that Tesla is severely overvalued but at the same price I would definitely take it before VW.
Why wouldn't they? Teslas are fine.I don't think this is true. I see plenty of business folks driving a Tesla.
Musk being CEO is big part of Tesla's value tbf, not because he is brilliant but because he showed many times that he knows how to raise a value of Tesla's stock without actually doing anything significant regarding improving the product or Tesla's sales(doing illegal things that he shouldn't be doing is one of the reasons for that too).I assume you mean Tesla without Musk staying on as CEO?
otherwise why wouldn't I take Tesla for half the price of VW, take it public again and make way way way more money?
Yeah I know that's what I meant. If you get to keep Musk the only reason you wouldn't take Tesla over VW is if you hate money.Musk being CEO is big part of Tesla's value tbf, not because he is brilliant but because he showed many times that he knows how to raise a value of Tesla's stock without actually doing anything significant regarding improving the product or Tesla's sales(doing illegal things that he shouldn't be doing is one of the reasons for that too).
Seems to be taking not getting twitter well.Tweet
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Is this due to tax as well. In some countries if your house is bigger than a certain area you have to pay extra tax on it. So rich get their companies/relatives to buy portion of the houses.Tweet
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Nah, he's just incredibly cringe. He's by far the the most online billionaire.Tweet
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I think making up stuff is covered by the first amendment.Isnt that also kind of illegal?
When people tell you to let rich people amass ungodly fortunes because philanthropy is better than the state. This is what we actually get.
Not sure tunnels are immune to heavy rainfall
That's just a subway carriage with a swimming pool. Will easily be able to have that on the hyperloop.Not sure tunnels are immune to heavy rainfall
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