How is it exactly?
Empty Old Trafford
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Do you really think we are protesting just because we lost to Brighton? If not, then no we aren't fickle. Theres always going to be a straw that breaks the camels back before a protest is given the green light.
By your logic a lot of protests are fickle.
I don’t think the defeat to Brighton was the catalyst for this unrest, I think the threat of signing Arnautović was the last straw. So much so that the board decided it was a piss take too far and immediately did a u-turn after the backlash. If that deal had gone through, Old Trafford might be on fire right now.
It's not that simple. It's about the image, building pressure etc. One thing will lead to the next. Any sound investor will evaluate future impact on earnings. Protests coming in thick and fast is a big red flag.
We all know the problem. However, not enough time being spent on the solution.
We've tried most things. As fans, we will have to dig deep into our pockets and purchase the club.
We've tried most things. As fans, we will have to dig deep into our pockets and purchase the club.
True. Twitter and to a certain extent RedCafe, are the polar opposites of the actual matchday going crowd.
Although i severely condone the idea that a fan from another country who has not gone to a game is a plastic, i can sympathize with the local fanbase on why they feel so. So many posters on here and Twitter who are only interested in negativity and instant success.
An empty OT stadium might make headline news, share prices might drop and sponsors might come and go - but we'll still get our revenue somehow and the Glazers will sit happily on the other side of the pond drinking cocktails at their Florida mansions taking dividends no matter what happens.
The only way they'll sell is if there is a proper full blow protest from every United fan week in week out with no one turning up at OT, protesting outside instead, not buying shirts etc and sponsors not wanting to be linked to Utd - but that will never happen. United will still be a cashcow to the Glazers for years to come sadly.
The only way they'll sell is if there is a proper full blow protest from every United fan week in week out with no one turning up at OT, protesting outside instead, not buying shirts etc and sponsors not wanting to be linked to Utd - but that will never happen. United will still be a cashcow to the Glazers for years to come sadly.
I think fans are a bigger obstacle to getting the club back than the Glazers themselves. Enabling the Glazers by spreading apathy and dissent against protest activity is helping the Glazers remain comfortable. Protests are going to have to also take into account the sheer amount of placid, enabling fans who are happy to accept what is happening, on top of the primary objective of sending a message to the Glazers to force a sale.
How bout you lot start booing those players not worthy to wear the shirt for a start?
Which players?
I know what people are trying to say about not going to a game but paying for it has no meaning but that isn't true.
When they signed up to the super league, it was protests and getting Liverpool game called off that made the headlines and got things moving.
An empty stadium regardless of paid for or not tickets makes a statement. It doesnt help if its 5000 empty seats though, it has to be half the stadium at least and fans outside the stadium.
Alot of fans who are anti glazer but willing to do nothing about it, then cry about the ownership.
well said. For a vast fanbase, they cant really come together
Hard not to agree with this. If De Jong had been able to convince his missus that it won’t rain in Manchester he could have been a big factor in that hypothetical win against Brighton. And the mood would be completely different to what it is now. Likewise if Ronaldo hadn’t been acting the bollox and we weren’t being linked with racist has beens as cover for him.
If all the above had happened the feel good vibes would be amazing. And you can absolutely guarantee there would be no plan to empty the stadium for the Liverpool game.
Obviously this doesn’t mean the Glazers are good owners. But fans are definitely fickle. And this protest feels very knee jerk.
Completely agree. It's got to be a huge majority in order for it to make an impact. 5000 fans refusing to go to a match will not do a single thing.
I did my bit by moving 260 miles away from OT to the south coast 10 years ago and I'm still waiting for the rest of you to join in with my protest to the Glazers. As far away from OT as I could get as the temptation to go to matches was still too much
Because it’s Redcafe. Not true fans here. Just nerdy keyboard pushers.The first 3 posts are negative.
Why do our own fans feel the need to do that every single time someone tries to get something going.
What Liverpool fans did was brilliantly simple they absolutely bombarded the money men behind hicks and Gillette with simple stuff like Emails phone calls some even hounded the men themselves.
The institution’s that funded H+G found there systems crashing,they didn’t like this at all ,then the Liverpool fans turned on the sponsors all of them using the same tactics bombarded them with emails phone calls and the like ,it went on and on and on and became intolerable for these people to deal with .
Imagine the global fan base of Utd doing this ????millions upon millions bombarding the glazier’s backers and sponsors.
All of them - boo more queitly when Eriksen, Malacia and Martinez have the ball.
They can't sell tickets that are already sold. So if ST holders didn't go there's nothing the club could do to fill the stadium.
No such thing as a true fan. Dividing between ourselves is how Glazers win. Nobody is going to thank you for supporting United the way you do.
Protesting the ownership of the club is "rank toxicity" now? OK then.
I think its alot of fans are of that opinion that not showing up to games but paying for tickets means nothing, they are wrong. The reason the super league got thrown out so quick, was the fan reaction.Completely agree. It's got to be a huge majority in order for it to make an impact. 5000 fans refusing to go to a match will not do a single thing.
I did my bit by moving 260 miles away from OT to the south coast 10 years ago and I'm still waiting for the rest of you to join in with my protest to the Glazers. As far away from OT as I could get as the temptation to go to matches was still too much
When a fan says I will go to watch games regardless, because it makes no difference, that actually makes no difference.
Showing up Old Trafford and not going in, is a massive statement if a big portion of the stadium does it, even if the money is paid.
I havent bought a united shirt in 10 years, I will not be doing so under the Glazers either.
I keep seing youtube fans crying about the Glazers but they attend all the games and tweet Glazer out like thats going to do anything.
If we can only protest when we're winning we'd never be able to protest
Never.
The players don’t make United purchase or promote them. The players don’t make the manager pick them. There have been players I cannot stand (some here now) but I’ll never boo them
This is on our poor approach to football as a whole. Scout and buy press resistant players. Stop buying these lightweight ones like Eriksen most recently.
This has already been tried after the Super League debacle where the mood toward the Glazers was arguably much worse and about 5 people left.
OT will be full for every game. Most my mates are Reds and yes they know its rubbish but they go out of habit and to have a few beers.
It what it is. They own your club till they don't want to an there is nothing you can do about that.
There are no end of day trippers who will gladly sit there and replace anyone who doesn't go.
It what it is. They own your club till they don't want to an there is nothing you can do about that.
There are no end of day trippers who will gladly sit there and replace anyone who doesn't go.
The only way the Glazers are removed is by nearly killing the host body.
Just like any other parasite, they'll cling on until they cannot leach anymore, then escape to save themselves.
Are we as a fanbase comfortable with this? It won't require United just slightly missing out on the top 4, we will probably be mid table at best.
No more fancy £60m signings, no talk of world class players. It'll be your Arnautovic's.
It'll take to nearly kill the club before they go. Who will want to buy a fallen giant on life support at that stage?
Just like any other parasite, they'll cling on until they cannot leach anymore, then escape to save themselves.
Are we as a fanbase comfortable with this? It won't require United just slightly missing out on the top 4, we will probably be mid table at best.
No more fancy £60m signings, no talk of world class players. It'll be your Arnautovic's.
It'll take to nearly kill the club before they go. Who will want to buy a fallen giant on life support at that stage?
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Feel like the fact we were protesting their ownership before they even took over & during times of success too would be news to some of you of think it's fickle to be protesting now.
If the Government was actually a capable one, they'd have stepped in when the Super League happened and done something to remove these clowns from our national institution. MUFC makes a lot of money for the country, it's something to be proud of and protected like all the other top clubs. But we have been allowed to be torn to shreads for the sake of profit to a foreign owner. Shambolic.
I even heard that during the Chelsea takeover, one of the Government provisions was there was to be no glazertype owners, so they know full well the damages caused but not got the balls or will to correct it.
I even heard that during the Chelsea takeover, one of the Government provisions was there was to be no glazertype owners, so they know full well the damages caused but not got the balls or will to correct it.
Some fans will complain about anything, I think the site of thousands of empty seats will definitely make the headlines, more so if they are standing out side protesting,
No point booing the players as we know they just aren't good enough,
No point booing the players as we know they just aren't good enough,
Think the government have other things to worry about rather than a few united fans who are upset becuae you can sign any good players
Exactly. Fans in the stadium booing the team when and taking it out on the players is kind of pointless. Everyone then post game will cry how McFred arent good enough, Rashford, Bruno, depth etc... but what is the reason for this?
We are going into the 3rd season with McFred, this season they are the ONLY senior midfielders, yet the fans will moan at the player not the structure.
Instead we will post McTominay stats like that will change anything.
In 2020, we were looking at a winger, midfielder and left footed CB. Its 2022 and that is exactly what we are looking for this summer.
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Feel like the fact we were protesting their ownership before they even took over & during times of success too would be news to some of you of think it's fickle to be protesting now.
I agree with you and that's the main problem. Our fans will only protest for a couple weeks and then stop. It has to be a consistent thing to really have much of an effect. The Glazers know all they have to do is ride it out for a couple weeks and people will stop.
I also don't think it will ever work, because the fanbase is so divided. It's hard to tell people not to go when they have already paid to do so.
Of course they have.
Glazer sons locked in Old Trafford - Manchester Evening News
BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Man Utd | Glazers escape after fans protest
Football - History | FC United of Manchester (fc-utd.co.uk)
Manchester United fans go green and gold at Wembley in colour-coded protest against owners | Manchester United | The Guardian
Manchester United fans protest from the skies over Glazers' ownership | Manchester United | The Guardian
A timeline of Manchester United fan protests against the Glazers - United In Focus
I can't remember what game it was last season... but they tried to organise a protest where everyone would stay outside until just the 17th minute... a minute for every year of Glazer ownership. It wasn't even that big a game.
I stayed outside but how many others did? Maybe a few thousand at best and it wasn't even very noticeable. In light of that evidence, the idea that people will stay outside for the whole of the match against Liverpool en masse, seems like fantasy.
I stayed outside but how many others did? Maybe a few thousand at best and it wasn't even very noticeable. In light of that evidence, the idea that people will stay outside for the whole of the match against Liverpool en masse, seems like fantasy.
The emperor's new clothes. Don't mean to offend but I'm seeing the same in Europe and current affairs.
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Feel like the fact we were protesting their ownership before they even took over & during times of success too would be news to some of you of think it's fickle to be protesting now.
Also, if the fans revolt 3 games after a new manager is appointed, won't it easily be seen as revolting against the selection of the new manager?
You’re right about ‘true fans’. But on here there’s just the usual Twitter fans who criticise on anything and everything just to get a rise out of people. What’s the term? Trolls.
Also I’d like to separate myself from the fans who racially abuse our players etc. So yeh maybe ‘true’ isn’t the right word. Maybe cnuty fans.
Kaveh Solekol, he's a journalist on Sky Sports News. And no, the manager was supported before, during and after the game on Sunday.
when everyone is singing Glazers out and banners? Everyone knows where the resentment is