Also, Ben Stokes possibly knows more about cricket than me. Sorry Mr. Hartley.
England Tour of India
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What were the odds after India’s first innings for an England win? Would have been some long odds.
Hartley scored a few runs himself.
excellent result for england but i think the real winners were the indian fans, getting to see what a true spin bowler looks like in hartley.
Wow.. just wow. What a game for Pope and Hartley.
Great day for test cricket with a gripping match at the Gabba as well, nothing beats the drama & suspense of test cricket.
Great day for test cricket with a gripping match at the Gabba as well, nothing beats the drama & suspense of test cricket.
A betting man would’ve got some great odds on an England/West Indies double.
Great win for England (& WI). Very good weekend for test cricket.
This is one of the craziest matches that I can remember. I can’t remember a turnaround like the one for Hartley in this match
Come on, Pope scored 196 on a pitch where barely anyone else scored 50. Easy motm.
I don't suppose you have a copy of wicket taking by T W Hartley oh you do that's wonderful
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Remarkable. Long live test cricket!
Hopefully the rest of the series is as competitive as this match has been.
Hopefully the rest of the series is as competitive as this match has been.
Not often seen a team lose after putting up 400 in second innings.. very rare to see after a lead of 100.
I was just coming here to post this, thinking it was an original thought
If you consider how England have played since Stokes was made captain & McCullum head coach then you cannot be nothing other than astonished by the transformation. The batting in particular has been outstanding, so many different players contributing. They were in a terrible state just before Stokes & McCullum. They’re so positive and it’s great to watch.
You're right but cricket in India is run by jokers
My word! Get in.
Ultimate respect to Hartley there!
Hartley scored 57 runs and took 9 wickets in the game. It's pretty bloody impressive.
Yes that's what I hope. I can see this to be a classic series.
Was thinking that before. Has anyone improved more over the course of a single game than he has here?
India’s batting, notably the ability to play spin, has been declining for over a decade now. They’ve been bailed out by having their best ever bowling generation, if that doesn’t click they’re in trouble. Dravid and Rohit are so uninspiring, time for a serious rebuild. I know it sound knee-jerk but this has been coming and it’ll happen again.
Congrats to England though, massive win.
Congrats to England though, massive win.
The 196 from Pope was the key contribution to the game. He deserves the man of the match.
Incredible win.
Next 4 pitches are going to raging turners but still, just to win a test in India is a great achievement and to win it when nearly 200 runs behind by the time we batted again. Sensational win.
Next 4 pitches are going to raging turners but still, just to win a test in India is a great achievement and to win it when nearly 200 runs behind by the time we batted again. Sensational win.
I don't think so. Raging turners(like Chennai last tour) become big lotteries.
This was a turner. I think this was the right sub-continental pitch that plays to our strengths, and England were the better team. India will just need to get better at execution. I suspect we'll see a similar pitch in the next test.
I am mildly considering this idea as well
Maybe if we can get get enough people from this thread together and do a caf meetup.. we could go there and call people wastemen, and slag players off after the first innings
Also those 2 catches for the first two wickets were really good as well.
India would be stupid to do that though. The more the pitches turn, the more it reduces India's skill advantage.
Is it kneejerk to say that Pope's contributed one of the great test innings, there?
Considering the match situation, the challenges of the pitch, the averages and experience of the bowling attack, the rate at which he scored, etc, it's got to be up there.
It was an improbable win and Pope steadied the ship, marshalled the lower order (Foakes, Rehan, and Hartley all played their part lower down), and then turned the tables of India.
The only thing going slightly against it is the time in the series. The first test can feel like a free hit in some ways, because some teams don't bring their 'A' game to a first test in a five match series. That and not bringing up his double century. But it felt like an innings that added to test cricket's lustre, certainly.
Considering the match situation, the challenges of the pitch, the averages and experience of the bowling attack, the rate at which he scored, etc, it's got to be up there.
It was an improbable win and Pope steadied the ship, marshalled the lower order (Foakes, Rehan, and Hartley all played their part lower down), and then turned the tables of India.
The only thing going slightly against it is the time in the series. The first test can feel like a free hit in some ways, because some teams don't bring their 'A' game to a first test in a five match series. That and not bringing up his double century. But it felt like an innings that added to test cricket's lustre, certainly.
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It was a great innings under very difficult circumstances. However, it will be remembered based off what happens next. If India smash England in the remaining tests it will be forgotten (unless our batsmen grow a pair, doubtful). If it's a close series / England win or England smashing India it will be remembered as an all time great inning.
Also depens on Pope's career. If it's so-so, nobody will remember this.
Tbh, India let that match go. Poor first inning batting (attacking shots galore for wickets + Ashwin runout) and poor catching. Then 4th inning is more psychological than anything else. Neverthless, Pope's knock was fantastic. How it will be remembered depends on what happens next.
Jadeja and Rahul are out of the next test. Our 2 best batters on form
The (fat) Indian Don Bradman has been called up.. 2-0 incoming
The (fat) Indian Don Bradman has been called up.. 2-0 incoming
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Rahul and Jadeja injured? Also been fairly disappointed with Gill and Iyer - over here in SA and they seem to be continuing some poor form. Admittedly haven't been following your test team much.
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Rahul and Jadeja injured? Also been fairly disappointed with Gill and Iyer - over here in SA and they seem to be continuing some poor form. Admittedly haven't been following your test team much.
He averages 80+ for last few years and causes a mini controversy on Twitter every time he doesnt get called up.
Our team is in transition. A needed one but the new guys aren't as good.. let's see how it goes
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Suppose with that sort of average he probably deserves that call up? Admittedly I didn’t give England much of a chance, moreso when I saw the lineups but glad this series will seemingly be a very competitive one.
Jadeja would seem like a blow, for his fielding (!), batting and bowling. What a great player he is.
So no Kohli, Rohit and Jadeja for India? Tough for India but good chance for someone to really stake their claim in the team.
It's Rahul I think thats ruled out so they will probably bring Khan in for him and maybe Kuldeep Yadav for Jadeja unless Indian fans can advise otherwise?
I think it's possible that you're right, but they've kept their options open with some of the call-ups today.
I don't think Safaraz plays for Rahul. Patidar is on the bench, was also in good form and is a top order batter. I would expect him to come in for Rahul. Safaraz bats lower middle order for Mumbai and that (supposedly) counted against him for selection all this while.
Jadeja's runs need to be replaced as Bharat is not great with the bat and is not a #6. They will drop Siraj and bring in a batter(Safaraz) or an all-rounder(Sundar).
It will be the weakest Indian team of 25+ years. I think we can still win, though. The players coming in are talented - as are Gill and Shreyas who are in a rough patch.
It's a shame Ruturaj is not fit. Also - it's really strange that they have parted ways with Pujara so dramatically -- he's piling on the runs in the domestic season and is one of our best spin batters of the last 10 years.