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M. Zagallo"The great player has to know how to lose his marker, drag his marker around, find a place on the field where he won’t be marked so tightly, because if the defender follows him then it opens up a space for someone else. And Pelé dragged his marker away from his zone of action, and as a consequence he was able to pick up the ball and bring it forward. He was intelligent; he knew it all. He knew how to deal with this situation.
It was around this time that I remember that there was a defender bearing down on me and with just the slightest touch on the ball I took him out of the game. And Pelé came up to me and said, “You’re intelligent.” It was not a dribble that looked anything wonderful or caught the attention of the public, but it was a touch that was enough to beat the defender. And Pelé was looking, paying attention, learning. Pelé was extraordinary. He was complete, right foot, left foot, in the air, calm enough to kill the ball on his chest because as he was killing it he was already adjusting position for the shot. He even played one-twos off the legs of his opponents! The calm that other players have in midfield, he had inside the penalty area. That sums him up."
M. ZagalloHe prepared as never before to play a good tournament in 1970. For it to be his high point. He’d been injured at the start of 1958, and at 17 he wasn’t quite the Pelé he went on to be. In 62 he was injured in the second game and he was injured again in 66. So 1970 was his chance to show his genius. So he really prepared to show his football. With Santos he played all over the world, but with the national team, the event that really made his reputation was the World Cup in Mexico.
M. ZagalloNo, because his influence was collective. He made things easier for the others, because he attracted the marking. So his desire to show his talent was something completely natural. And he was always a good teammate, he was always concerned with things he thought were not correct from the collective point of view. I’ll give you an example from 1970. We were in our base in Mexico and our base was behind bars and the public were on the other side of the bars. The players kept on going over to sign autographs and Pelé called a meeting with all the players and coaching staff, and said, “Look, we’re here to win the World Cup, and I’m feeling that our attention is not properly focused because all the time we’re going over to sign autographs and have our photos taken and this is not good, and we have to change our way of thinking on this.”
So both on the field and off it he was exceptional. At the end, after we had beaten Italy in the final, he came over to me, gave me a hug and said, “We had to be together to win the World Cup for the third time.” It was the best Pelé with the national team. A kid in Sweden gave signs of genius, and in Mexico he fulfilled all that promise and closed the book with a golden key. And I had the privilege to see it all from close up, as player and coach, and as friend.
M. ZagalloI totally changed the team. I took over without a fixed idea of what I was going to do — but I knew there would be a lot of changes, because I didn’t accept the idea of 4-2-4. Saldanha had been using 4-2-4. Years earlier Saldanha had been my coach at Botafogo. But he wasn’t really a coach. He was a journalist, and as a coach he didn’t have much idea. There’s no way we could have won the World Cup using that system. If in 1958 we were already moving towards 4-3-3, how could you go back to 4-2-4 in 1970? We had to move forward.
M. ZagalloI do. Because we played as a block, compact, as you say leaving only Tostão up field. Jairzinho, Pelé, Rivelino, all tracked back to join Gerson and Clodoaldo in the midfield. I’m happy to see the team in terms of 4-5-1. We brought our team back behind the line of the ball. We didn’t want to give space for the Europeans to hit us with quick counter attacks. Our team was not characterised by strong marking. Our method of defending was to position ourselves in zone, cover the space and not carry out man-to-man marking. If we had gone with high-pressure marking then by the second half we would have run out of gas. So we saved our energy, dropped back, and then when we won possession the technical quality of our team stood out.
I've criticized your team. Fair gameEnigma has a near perfect team.
Not really convinced on Downcast midfield and think I referred to this in Game 1 too. Not really sure of Netzer/Kopa will work as good as Netzer/Wimmer.
Makelele in Zito's role is the biggest question mark for me. He was great with a defensive powerhouse like Vieira next to him who provided a lot of mobility in the absence of which the infamous bypassing of Makelele (especially with the likes of Netzer and Kopa) can be a real danger.Enigma has a near perfect team.
"In '58 we shared the same rooms, we'd spend nights talking about football
Fontaine
He can do the defensive job (to be added later)EURO 2000 FINAL
9. Despite the moderate defensive support of the central midfielder Didi, Makelele 2006 was 33 years old (relatively on the decline) will suffer against Young players: Angry Hungry Henry (22 years old) and my other young players whose career peak corresponded to their international peak.BRAZIL 62
All of the midfielders will participate of the defensive phase and especially Boniek will bring a lot of work rate, stamina and running in midfield. Stoichkov did the same in 94 and also I've used some quotes from Zagallo from that world cup and how the 4-2-4 transitioned to 4-5-1 and the role of Pele.Makelele in Zito's role is the biggest question mark for me. He was great with a defensive powerhouse like Vieira next to him who provided a lot of mobility in the absence of which the infamous bypassing of Makelele (especially with the likes of Netzer and Kopa) can be a real danger.
Agreed. Also not really sure Didi-Pele here will work as well as Didi-Zito.Enigma has a near perfect team.
Not really convinced on Downcast midfield and think I referred to this in Game 1 too. Not really sure of Netzer/Kopa will work as good as Netzer/Wimmer.
I love irrelevant postsAlso not that it's relevant to the WC in particular but Makelele was the sole central midfielder in Real's CL winning run and generally defensive powerhouse himself.
Agreed. Also not really sure Didi-Pele here will work as well as Didi-Zito.
Nothing to do with that. I rarely remember to voters post match and never ever grudge vote.I've criticized your team. Fair game
Disagree. Makelele was a late bloomer. He was still at Celta at the age of 27. At the age of 33 he won back to back titles in England in Mourinho's team and was the instrumental for both.I love irrelevant posts
It was the final of the champions league in...2002.
Makélélé 2006 was 33 years old and played with Vieira.
Not really the same potential physical impact.
What? I think he needs a bit more defensive cover. I did have Kopa in earlier game and I believe he needs to be more advanced to be in his element.Agreed. Also not really sure Didi-Pele here will work as well as Didi-Zito.
Kopa was the Ballon d'Or 1958 because he was the best player of the WC 58: brilliant games, 9 assists (unbeaten record) in a single WC, some goals.What? I think he needs a bit more defensive cover. I did have Kopa in earlier game and I believe he needs to be more advanced to be in his element.
France was pretty exciting team going forward and Kopa/Fontaine were pretty instrumental going forward and not disputing that of course, but as @Pat_Mustard mentioned in your game they were not the strongest side defensively. They conceded 15 goals in just 6 games including 5 against Brazil of 58 - with Didi producing a masterclass - 2 assists and 1 goal.Kopa was the Ballon d'Or 1958 because he was the best player of the WC 58: brilliant games, 9 assists (unbeaten record) in a single WC, some goals.
He played in a similar tactical system with France: you just need to read my previous posts and the streamable videos I've made.
I've watched 2 games of France 58: he was deployed as right central playmaker/attacking midfielder. So, he was capable to orchestrate the game as a deep-lying playmaker
Mate, I'm sorry but you're wrong here.
You too mate, as always
To be honest I think our side has the quality to negate Downcast best assets - Kopa and Fontaine. Figueroa is master at cancelling out quality strikers as he did against Muller in 1974 and I'd back him to produce the same quality here. On the other hand we have one of the best pure DM in Makelele and Moore in the form of his life providing cover.Its funny, I think Enigma has the better side but each time I play it out in my head.. it seems Downcast has an answer to everything. Tight game.
Question: who is Kopa?France was pretty exciting team going forward and Kopa/Fontaine were pretty instrumental going forward and not disputing that of course, but as @Pat_Mustard mentioned in your game they were not the strongest side defensively. They conceded 15 goals in just 6 games including 5 against Brazil of 58 - with Didi producing a masterclass - 2 assists and 1 goal.
WEST GERMANY 1972 EUROPEAN CHAMPION
From left to right: Beckenbauer, Maier, Schwarzenbeck, Heynckes, Netzer, Wimmer, Müller, Höttges, Kremers, Breitner and Hoeneß.
A strong team playing a pragmatic style, not dissimilar to England but with somewhat more technique and determination. They had a balance of great players throughout, in a team in a team built around the legend Franz Beckenbauer and his Bayern Munich team-mates that had won the European Cup three times in succession. It also included the goal machine that was Gerd Muller.
Yeah, the term pragmatic is odd