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Wow, you think Klose is going to be remembered more than David Villa?? Gotta disagree there
I had already forgotten David Villa. But I remembered Fernando Torres, though.
 

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Why are people talking about Klose and Villa on the Haaland thread??

Haalands immense, just enjoy watching him score for fun (until he joins City).
 

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This is what I’ve been saying too him. Maradonna was a world class footballer but his main success was the WC which sent him too stardom level.
Klose isn’t anywhere near Villa but in time the history books especially top goalscorer in WC history(biggest event in the world) will always be remembered.
Villa is a World Cup winner (and has scored in the CL final as well) literally what are you talking about?! Hilarious.

And yeah it’s true about Maradona but does he hold the record for most goals scored in the World Cup? Of course not. It’s his performances that are remembered, same as any other player. That’s why Ronaldo Lima will always be remembered more than Klose despite the fact that Klose managed to statpad his way past him having played a bunch more games.
 

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In was mentioned loads of BBC as top goalscorer and yes everyone can name players but David Villa even with how good he is will be forgotten trust me. Even if people mention the Spain team that won 3 tournaments on the bounce Xavi, Iniesta, Ramos will get mentioned before him.
Yes people won’t know how good Klose was or how he played but he will be the top WC scorer ever and if that remains he will always be mentioned for as long as it stands
I don’t have to trust you because you have no idea who will be remembered, it’s just your out of the box opinion. Villa was a better player for club and country and thus will be remembered more. That’s my opinion.
 

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I think you have seriously underestimated the worth of all time record and legacy here. Regardless of how you rate those players having watched them played week in week out, in future, for those who were born after us, they wouldn't care too much about how good the players from their grandpa era actually were, but they would be always reminded of those who are GOAT or all time greats, or those with the records.

Take Fontaine for example, he hasn't won any major trophy throughout his career, nor did he score alot throughout, but he is still being remembered even today, because of his record in 58 WC. I am sure there were lots of better strikers than him during that time, but people could only remember him above the others (non-elites), who might be better than him, just because of his records.

I mean, just look at his overall career, he scored 227 goals in his club career in 12 years (average 19 goals per season). His overall numbers are actually similar to Klose. Then for France he scored 30 goals in 21 games overall, where 18 goals are scored in 1958 alone. He only have a truly extraordinary year in 1958 WC in terms of goalscoring, before that he only has 3 goals in 3 caps over 5 years period of his international career, and after that in the next 2 years period he managed another 9 goals in 6 games, and his career ends there. Theres nothing, apart from 1958 WC, or during period 1958-1959, to suggest he is a great player at all, yet he is still regarded as football legend, as was often named as best 100 players ever played the game. Truth is, no one would remember him if not for his record in WC, its plain obvious.
Who’s remembered more, Just Fontaine or Garrincha?
 

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Why are people talking about Klose and Villa on the Haaland thread??

Haalands immense, just enjoy watching him score for fun (until he joins City).
Yes we should get back to that. IMO the best place for him is Bayern, but I guess he’d like to come to England.
 

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You’re seriously telling me you’ve never heard of Raymond Kopa?!
I heard about him in passing but I can't tie him to anything in particular unlike Fontaine just like I can tie Paolo Rossi to 1982 world cup but can't recall any Italian striker before him
 

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Who’s remembered more, Just Fontaine or Garrincha?
who cares about remembered more though. Question is whether their record has a way to prolong their relevancy, and surprise they do.
Every player's relevancy in world football context has a life shelve, unless they are Pele or Maradona most of the young people do not remember anyone.
I mean Di Stefano and Puskas despite their utterly world shattering talents, are barely known in general football discussion, as most of the young people tend to name the likes of Zidane, Ronaldinho, Luis Ronaldo in their top ten, when both Stefano and Puskas were superior players.
But whenever references come, records do count. They are called records for a reason.
 

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I'm still taking Haaland even if my personal preference goes to Lewandowski. Haaland is really scary
Yeah me too I'd have some doubt if Lewan could do it in the PL but I have absolutely no doubt Haaland could. Guy is a fecking beast.

If we couldn't sign him please God of Football let Madrid have him. Not any of those PL please.
 

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who cares about remembered more though. Question is whether their record has a way to prolong their relevancy, and surprise they do.
Every player's relevancy in world football context has a life shelve, unless they are Pele or Maradona most of the young people do not remember anyone.
I mean Di Stefano and Puskas despite their utterly world shattering talents, are barely known in general football discussion, as most of the young people tend to name the likes of Zidane, Ronaldinho, Luis Ronaldo in their top ten, when both Stefano and Puskas were superior players.
But whenever references come, records do count. They are called records for a reason.
I don’t think this is true.
 

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Yeah me too I'd have some doubt if Lewan could do it in the PL but I have absolutely no doubt Haaland could. Guy is a fecking beast.

If we couldn't sign him please God of Football let Madrid have him. Not any of those PL please.
Not sure why you believe this.
 

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I don’t think this is true.
it is, football forums like ours and big soccer and those weirdo PES forum, are the only one where ancient players are discussed.
The new platform for football discussion for masses are social media platform like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, Youtube and even freaking tiktoks, and there we can see the oldies are barely remembered.
Even Pele is insulted for his goal hogging antics, rather than being appreciated for the great player he was.
 

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Yeah me too I'd have some doubt if Lewan could do it in the PL but I have absolutely no doubt Haaland could. Guy is a fecking beast.

If we couldn't sign him please God of Football let Madrid have him. Not any of those PL please.
Seeing how Ronaldo is still scoring in the PL, I think Lewandowski could still too. Haaland has youth and hunger on his side
 

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it is, football forums like ours and big soccer and those weirdo PES forum, are the only one where ancient players are discussed.
The new platform for football discussion for masses are social media platform like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Reddit and even freaking tiktoks, and there we can see the oldies are barely remembered.
They may not be discussed but I don’t think we can say for certain that the majority of young people are not aware of them. That would require a wide ranging study/survey of some sort.
 

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Yeah me too I'd have some doubt if Lewan could do it in the PL but I have absolutely no doubt Haaland could. Guy is a fecking beast.

If we couldn't sign him please God of Football let Madrid have him. Not any of those PL please.
If it wasn't for the age difference, I'd take Lewa any day of the week. PL requires a lot more knowledge of the game and football intelligence and at this very moment, Lewa is vastly superior. Dortmund is a transition team and it suits Haaland perfectly since he has a LOT of space there and bundesliga diffenders arent physical enough for most of them, but we've seen with Sancho than playing agains low defensive blocks was a whole different story. It'll be harder for him to adjust. That being said, he's still very young and my answer might be different in 2 years (obviously since Lewa is aging).
 

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If it wasn't for the age difference, I'd take Lewa any day of the week. PL requires a lot more knowledge of the game and football intelligence and at this very moment, Lewa is vastly superior. Dortmund is a transition team and it suits Haaland perfectly since he has a LOT of space there and bundesliga diffenders arent physical enough for most of them, but we've seen with Sancho than playing agains low defensive blocks was a whole different story. It'll be harder for him to adjust. That being said, he's still very young and my answer might be different in 2 years (obviously since Lewa is aging).
but unlike Sancho, Haaland has proved to be ridiculous in CL too(he was last season's top scorer), nor is he is mentally feeble like Sancho.
 

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Yeah me too I'd have some doubt if Lewan could do it in the PL but I have absolutely no doubt Haaland could. Guy is a fecking beast.

If we couldn't sign him please God of Football let Madrid have him. Not any of those PL please.
Oh come on :lol:
It is the best league but also a league where a dude called Patrick Bamford can score 17 for Leeds or Ollie Watkins 14 for Aston Villa.

But sure the best striker in the world, with a much better team than the guys I mentioned playing behind him and feeding him couldn‘t do it here
 

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Not sure why you believe this.
Seeing how Ronaldo is still scoring in the PL, I think Lewandowski could still too. Haaland has youth and hunger on his side
I watched Lewan a number of times and no doubt his movement, techniques and positioning is top. That suit Bayern really well and they create a lot of chances for/with him but imo he doesn't have that burst to guarantee he'd always win against the PL defenders. Unless he plays for City I don't think he'd score as much as he's been in the Bundes.

Haaland is another story, his explosiveness is simply fecking amazing. You add that to his freaking strength, size, finishing, jumping, heading and he'd score regardless of team he's playing for I think.
 

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fecking hell, he almost completed his hat-trick with a flying backheel volley.
 

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I really hope us signing Ronnie doesn’t stop us from going after this guy. He’s going to be the best striker in the world and whoever signs him next is going to be set for years to come.
 

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First he heads a Ronaldo, then that impossible goal and in the end so close to a Zlatan backheel. And a threat all game.
 

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but unlike Sancho, Haaland has proved to be ridiculous in CL too(he was last season's top scorer), nor is he is mentally feeble like Sancho.
And yet he didn't score against City when Dortmund was eliminated or had a very rough 2nd game against PSG the year before where Kimpembe took the best of him. Ibrahimovic had an entier career made of goals against OK teams in the CL but couldn't deliver when he faced really tough defenders. I'm not saying Haaland will be the same and he's a phenomenal talent for sure but I don't know yet if he's as effective with less space or against top physical defenders like Van Dijk, Rudiger etc. His abilities really shine when he moves because he always has the upper hand when he does, it's a different game when you play tight low blocks.
 

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And yet he didn't score against City when Dortmund was eliminated or had a very rough 2nd game against PSG the year before where Kimpembe took the best of him. Ibrahimovic had an entier career made of goals against OK teams in the CL but couldn't deliver when he faced really tough defenders. I'm not saying Haaland will be the same and he's a phenomenal talent for sure but I don't know yet if he's as effective with less space or against top physical defenders like Van Dijk, Rudiger etc. His abilities really shine when he moves because he always has the upper hand when he does, it's a different game when you play tight low blocks.
He bodied Van Dijk just a couple of weeks ago.
 

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And yet he didn't score against City when Dortmund was eliminated or had a very rough 2nd game against PSG the year before where Kimpembe took the best of him. Ibrahimovic had an entier career made of goals against OK teams in the CL but couldn't deliver when he faced really tough defenders. I'm not saying Haaland will be the same and he's a phenomenal talent for sure but I don't know yet if he's as effective with less space or against top physical defenders like Van Dijk, Rudiger etc. His abilities really shine when he moves because he always has the upper hand when he does, it's a different game when you play tight low blocks.
Bagged two in the first leg against PSG, but apparently only the second leg counts. Already scored against van Dijk in the CL, and toyed around with both him and de Vrij for Norway against the Netherlands. Also has 3 in 3 against Bayern.
 

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There's no doubt his league record is inflated by the very attacking nature that the Bundesliga is known for, but given how much he's scoring, both in the league and in the CL, there's no doubt he'd succeed anywhere else and is a premier striker talent.

He's not the most complete player but he's an extremely complete forward, fast,strong,good finishing,can score all sort of goals.

He and Mbappe are still a step ahead of all the other young talents.
 

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And yet he didn't score against City when Dortmund was eliminated or had a very rough 2nd game against PSG the year before where Kimpembe took the best of him. Ibrahimovic had an entier career made of goals against OK teams in the CL but couldn't deliver when he faced really tough defenders. I'm not saying Haaland will be the same and he's a phenomenal talent for sure but I don't know yet if he's as effective with less space or against top physical defenders like Van Dijk, Rudiger etc. His abilities really shine when he moves because he always has the upper hand when he does, it's a different game when you play tight low blocks.
so we are going to only count games he did not scored? And do City keep a low blow?
Are we forgetting he made Dias, the best defender in the league last season look like a schoolboy in the same encounter.
So we are going to forget his goals against PSG? or as other said his recent game against Van Dijk in Netherlands, where he matched him shoulder to shoulder.
 

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Bagged two in the first leg against PSG, but apparently only the second leg counts. Already scored against van Dijk in the CL, and toyed around with both him and de Vrij for Norway against the Netherlands. Also has 3 in 3 against Bayern.
Also bagged 4 in two matches against Sevilla, who isn't known for a sloppy defense.