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737 Max - Boeing grounds the fleet after second crash | Production temporarily suspended
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Awful stuff. I'm sorry, man.
Good lord what a piece of shit article.Yeah, this article talks about it.
https://slate.com/technology/2019/0...ere-did-boeing-go-wrong-with-the-737-max.html
The monetary cost of adding an anti-stall autopilot vs. designing a whole new aircraft could have cost 2 planes full of lives
This is exactly like anti-vaxxers.
Seems lots of countries have ban or grounded the plane at the moment
Singapore, malaysia, aust, china, indonesia have all ban the flight coming into or out of the countries and grounded these Boeing
Singapore, malaysia, aust, china, indonesia have all ban the flight coming into or out of the countries and grounded these Boeing
Did you read it?
Even after indicating that we don't know exactly what brought down the Lion Air flight and that we don't know anything about this crash, he tries to tie in Air France to this. This dipshit even admits he knows nothing about what brought down the Air Ethiopia flight at the close of the article.
You're an educator, Caroline, if a student presented a hypothesis to you and offered absolutely feck all in the way of supporting evidence, only conjecture, you'd give them a failing grade. This is exactly like anti-vaxxers. No evidence, just my feels.
Sweet Caroline. Tah, tah, tah!
Couldn’t resist.
I see Norwegian has stopped the 737 maxes too, and UK won’t allow them in their airspace.
Couldn’t resist.
I see Norwegian has stopped the 737 maxes too, and UK won’t allow them in their airspace.
I couldn't resist, tbf.
1) Carolina
2) It's clearly giving an early opinion as to a design flaw that may have played a part in both crashes. Hence the use of the word "may" in the title.
I wouldn't have given the person a failing grade if what I'd asked them to write was a piece that offered a possible explanation to an unknown, which is exactly what that article is. It has 2 whole paragraphs about the design of the plane and how that could have led to these crashes because of compensations done for moving the wing.
No clue how you're tying that in to the anti-vax movement, which states opinion as definite fact, instead of clearly indicating what it is from as early as the title.
Could have. No evidence but the writer's opinion. Zero facts to support his hypothesis. Quality work for sure.
Again... it sets out from the title that it is an opinion piece. It makes it obvious that it is speculation.
Is there some kind of ban on that that I don't know about?
There's also this line...
Which is clearly what is driving the speculation that a design flaw of the plane is leading to the crashes.
You know what people are like, man. They're going to take that as fact. Post the link to their Twitter or Facebook and it grows from there. I'm free to call shit shit when I see it. I'm not shooting the messenger here.
If I'm to believe any of that Slate article, there are 350 of those planes in operation, making two flights a day. That means in the five months between the two crashes this aircraft model has made between 98,000 - 105,000 flights without incident but we're supposed to question it's airworthiness over two crashes? I'm not sure the suggestion is responsible. People have enough anxiety over flying as it is.
Can you tell me why you're deliberately misquoting the article there?
Statistically it's still very safe. And also statistically it's significantly less safe than other models.
And in the meantime the CAA has ordered that the B737 Max cannot fly over UK airspace.
Apologies, I got it confused with this one from earlier in the article.
Lack of clarity in that piece takes away from it further.
Damn....I just flew SouthWest two days ago. I'll have to plan accordingly in the future.
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Banned from German airspace now too. Can't help but feel it's an easy way to get one over Trump for most of the world. Can't believe the FAA/NTSB would let it fly within the US if there were design problems anyone knows of. (I wouldn't want to fly in one though).
In your case If be more worried about flying SouthWest than what kind of plane it was.
I would like to cosign the phenomenon of air travel being very susceptible to the availability heuristic, where people's notions of air travel safety are colored by the rare yet visible accidents displayed over the media, while the near 100% majority of flights take off and land without incident and publicity.
I have no problem with planes being grounded within standard protocol. It would be a shame if planes are being grounded "just in case"... there is a negative impact these groundings may have on business and personal affairs.
Sort of. Preliminary findings so far, but it looks like the issue on the Lionair flight was caused by a piece of automation software. A particularly skilled pilot could supposedly recover it but that's not exactly a comfort for everyone else where many airlines are rushing pilots through to meet demand.
This latest crash shares some key hallmarks; a loss of altitude control around 5 to 10 minutes into the flight.
We're about to see exactly how in bed the government/FAA is with US industry now. It'll be grounded pretty much everywhere else by nightfall. Let's see how long it takes them to follow suit.
Thanks
Very tragic. Seems like the issue is with Boeing and the model of the aircraft. Hopefully people who are affected can sue the crap out o Boeing.
SouthWest were brilliant the handful of times I've used themIn your case If be more worried about flying SouthWest than what kind of plane it was.
I'm an interview on CNN the Ethiopian Airlines CEO threw Boeing under the bus.
He has every right to, especially if the reputation of his airline and pilots are on the line.
So you are saying its normal for two fatal hull losses for a brand new plane within 5 months? Why would you NOT be overly careful? Id rather have conjecture than a fecking death trap plane!
Boeing has a huge lobbying presence. Its got feck all to do with Trump.
Imagine calling your airline Lucky Air.Damn....I just flew SouthWest two days ago. I'll have to plan accordingly in the future.
It's not normal, so investigation is needed. I think a worldwide grounding is too extreme. Let's not forget the amount of successful flights that have occurred to date. Calling it a death trap is hyperbole
It seems from what I read that SW as the launch customer had a lot of input into the commonality directives when the plane was designed ie dont make it so different that we have to pay to retrain our pilots. So Boeing with such a huge order from SW had to shoehorn new technology to make the planes more efficient but into the older frame/instrument layout design. Thats why the engines were moved forward and the whole problem with nose pitching up started. This software thats in question was put in place solely for this reason. Its madness.
Its not hyperbole when you are trapped in an uncontrollable plane and then you die is it? Yes theres been plenty of successful flights but you cant start playing with percentages when it comes to human lives.
The first country to ground was China, a country least likely to cater to any social media storm given they can just quell it easily. I doubt UK or Oz banned it due to any hysteria either. I saw an excellent comment on reddit stating that confidence on aviation is based on proving that it is safe and not on the premise that it can't proven that it is not safe. Have also read others commenting that if the said crash had happened in US, they would have grounded the fleet by now.
No. I'm saying that claiming both crashes have the same root cause is premature and not based on empirical evidence.
From a risk based view, grounding these aircraft now is based solely on impact to the airlines from legal and reputational risk and doesn't consider the likelihood, which is extremely low (2 in 100k low). To me this shows that the decision is being fluenced by people who have no business determining the cause of an airplane crash.
Early evidence from what I heard, albeit inconclusive, is that the pilot complained about lack of control of the plane and wanted to return. I would be very surprised if it wasnt the same issue as the Lion Air plane.
Those commenters are presumably unaware that the FAA and Boeing send investigators to every crash involving one of its aircraft.
I'm a scared flyer have been since a rocky one. Booked on Tui in July so that will be a nervous one for me now whatever the findings. Ideally I'd like the Mr. T treatment. It won't stop me going but the 2 weeks before I do some really odd superstitious shit. Even not opening threads like this will be one of them. It's my biggest fear and will never go away it actually stops me going to more places even though I've done America a couple of times
Anyway RIP all those poor people and thinking of their families.
Anyway RIP all those poor people and thinking of their families.
It may well be but we don't know that for certain.