You said it was farcical that Russia were banned and it would be farcical if Israel had been banned. If genocide is not enough for you to cross the line then I don't know what to say. Good night man and again I'm sorry for your loss.
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It's farcical to me that russia is banned and Ukraine is heralded. It is genuinely a ridiculous, nonsensical paradox.
I think you're choosing to interpret what I mean based on the lack of explained context which I did explain later on. I thought it was pretty clear this was all contextually related to Ukraine when I specifically said the consulate withdrawal was the last straw?
Yeah so more or less the same vote share presumably. First and second in majority of countries either way around
It makes sense. Anyone who supports Israel would vote for them while anyone who supports Palestine can't vote for them so the "anti-" vote is split.
While I wholeheartedly disagree that it was farcical, the comments about Russia and your subsequent clarification were in response to your position on Israel which you've continually shied away from and sought to shift the conversation away from. Your initial position was we shouldn't have a problem with Israel so this idea of equivalance between Russia/Ukraine isn't actually relevant.
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I could get that you might think that Israel should be banned if Russia is. But that isn't what you are railing against. Which is a bit odd. Ukraine aren't banned because they were the ones invaded. Once in there they were likely to win as the usual politics of voting wouldn't apply. I haven't watched it in decades but country voting used to be very predictable e.g. France would give the UK zero or close to zero points no matter what.
Ukraine is just defending themselves. It's a completely different from being the aggressor and killing innocent people and children. If he can't see the difference between the two then something is very wrong with his understanding of what's happening in Gaza at the moment. It's very sad that so many are turning a blind eye and looking for reasons to justify a genocide.
My point is quite personal, sorry if this escalated.
Read the rest of my posts for full context - I'm not talking about being invaded or not, being invaded is not a justification for some of the screwed up things Ukraine has done since the war began. For full context, I am Ukrainian and most of my family are there - I'm not a Z-shill.
I feel like a massive hypocrite seeing us get the plaudits and the support, and the Ukrainian state laps it all in, whilst the world doesn't know what they really are. It would lessen my guilt to see all of us there, or none of us there.
Sorry, please stop. You have no idea what the Ukrainian government are doing to it's people at the moment.
If you do want to know, please check the Ukraine war thread as I have posted lots of details there
Nothing what anyone is doing is equivalent to what Isreal is doing so you need to reevaluate your mindset. This whole discussion is about Isreal and their behavior. Your attempt to constantly divert is shameful and downright disrespectful to those suffering so you need to stop.Sorry, please stop. You have no idea what the Ukrainian government are doing to it's people at the moment.
If you do want to know, please check the Ukraine war thread as I have posted lots of details there
Divert? Divert what?
That Israel is committing genocide and atrocities? How am I diverting from it? I share that view. Even if I want to ignore that side, (which I do not), what Israel is doing also makes no rational sense.
I'm just pointing out that people are happily cheering and scoring for Ukraine without any hesitation and it makes me feel sick that we are put on a pedastal when what we're doing is in many occasions just as grim.
If your point is that Israel is just doing it at such a high scale that it's worthy of putting it in a tier above Ukraine on size and scale alone, that is an argument that is valid.
You shouldn't. The alternative is let Russia run roughshod over a democratic country. And what have Ukraine done that is so "screwed up" in the context of an all out war? Israel are behaving terribly and the difference is they have a choice, and the choice they have made has cost 30,000 mostly civilian lives. I for one would have been quite happy to see them excluded, but that doesn't mean Ukraine should or not be supported.
I get that you may have concerns about the government becoming authoritarian but sadly this usually happens (possibly has to happen) when your actual survival is at stake. It will all be irrelevant if Russia win and Ukraine in effect ceases to be.
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No. Stop being disingenuous, you very clearly stated:
You are not making any comparison to Ukraine here but are rather suggesting that it being a song contest should negate any protesting against Israel.
Your strange Ukraine argument whatever it is was retrofitted later.
This is just utter shit from you.
I mean my literal next post after Russia not being banned was about Ukraine but okay, but people missed the connection.
Read the whole conversation, I clarified what I meant.
You either make it completely apolitical, in which case nobody should be banned, or you don't, in which case everyone ( Russia, Israel, Ukr) should be banned. It was very clear and explicitly laid out.
Here I've quoted it for you
I don't see how you can read this post and read it's *not* about Ukraine
I've explained in the Ukraine thread, if you want to take a look
So your whole thing is based on collective punishment, but you do not want Israel banned who is literally punishing Palestinians collectively the past 77 years, who are politicizing this contest and is trying to win it to whitewash their image, to get the chance of hosting it to do even more whitewashing of their genocidal image?
Have a word with yourself.
Happy to see Israel didn’t win. That would have been nauseating. Congrats to the Swiss.
Eurovision has become even more of a comedy.
So Isreal got second most public votes. Actually I am glad now that they allowed Israel to compete so we can all see with what kind of people and countries we generally share our continent with.
Belgium, France, UK, Finland, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK all gave them 12 points. Austria, Albania, Ireland, Slovenia, etc. with ten point for Israel.
Population of these countries just confirmed that they agree with how their goverments generally acted towards this war. And no, it's not a friendly neighbourhood country this year that got the sympathy, killing innocent muslim babies and women far away on the west will get you far more public sympathy this time. Racist Europe continues to be even worse than it ever was.
Belgium, France, UK, Finland, Germany, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, UK all gave them 12 points. Austria, Albania, Ireland, Slovenia, etc. with ten point for Israel.
Population of these countries just confirmed that they agree with how their goverments generally acted towards this war. And no, it's not a friendly neighbourhood country this year that got the sympathy, killing innocent muslim babies and women far away on the west will get you far more public sympathy this time. Racist Europe continues to be even worse than it ever was.
Or as I like to tell myself, bots paid for by Israel.
Pentecostal congregations and christian conservarive movements making it their members' religious duty to vote 20 times probably had something to do with it. By opening the vote as the show started they made it a lot easier for these people to just vote without watching the show.
I agree, so so disappointing to see that voting. A part of me feels it may have been rigged somehow by the Israelis as another avenue for propaganda to show how much support they have when in reality they don’t.
I reckon a lot of people around Europe are scratching their heads at the public vote results
I think that "pattern" of voting is more down to having phone systems that can easily be used by a "motivated" pressure group to vote multiple times.
I don't think it reflects millions of European people all voting once in support of Israel /rejecting Palestine.
The phone voting has been open to such abuse for years. Maybe they will finally change it.
Condemning an entire country or population over Eurovision votes seems a bit much, thanks.
Right wingers hijacked this as some sort of weird flagship to show their anti Islam sentiment. Problem is, people who disagree with it can't really do anything about it. It's not like you can vote anti Israel in Eurovision. Or vote for Palestina (why can't they enter Eurovision anyway?).
Just watched the UK performance... That wasn't Olly Murs
Norway being on the right side of history as always.
Number of votes isn't small though. And it helps when you read the general public view, and when you read how their goverments(that those same people elected) vote on some other serious political decisions regarding Israel/Palestine.
Israel got votes thanks to their population (which is huge) outside Israel. It is perfectly logical explanation.
Calling Europe as "racist Europe" is plain stupid.
There's been constant pro gaza protests in The Netherlands. So we are not, as a nation or population, completely in favour of what Israel is doing. Not at all.
I do admit that The Netherlands should be ashamed about the way they voted, but even that doesn't mean the Dutch people are one right wing hivemind. I think this type of talk isn't really helping anyone.
I see you are not familiar with that poster.
I'm sure the people interpreting phone voting in favour of Israel are also confident that Liverpool/Arsenal are the people's choice whenever something like that is voted on
Calm down, it's just bots using the system, nothing to do with the people's actual feelings about the war.
To be blunt, the collective punishment Israel is inflicting on Gaza is vastly worse than "you can't sing your song this year because of the collective punishment you're inflicting on Gaza".
I have to say, I find it hilarious that a competition which has always been defined by its complete lack of seriousness has ended up as a source of so much angst. If we’re going to get this much wailing and gnashing of teeth with every Eurovision surely the correct thing to do is to cancel the stupid thing?
It seems to me the pro Israel voters were always going to watch and vote like their lives depended on it.
The pro Palestine/anti genocide/pro humanity people were either not going to watch/not going to vote and if they did vote their vote was split.
What would have been good is if the Palestinian supporters had a campaign to vote for one country in particular from the start. However, the Palestine voters were rightly more involved in protesting or boycotting the show rather than engage in voting tactics.
I don’t think I will be watching again after this years double standards. Announcing that Eurovision should not be politicised, having already politicised it by banning Russia is 
The pro Palestine/anti genocide/pro humanity people were either not going to watch/not going to vote and if they did vote their vote was split.
What would have been good is if the Palestinian supporters had a campaign to vote for one country in particular from the start. However, the Palestine voters were rightly more involved in protesting or boycotting the show rather than engage in voting tactics.
I don’t think I will be watching again after this years double standards. Announcing that Eurovision should not be politicised, having already politicised it by banning Russia is
Lumping all the people of a country together while an absolute minority votes and the uninterested rest sleep peacefully is a stupid approach.
How many people voted from each of those countries?
I mean, your country voted against Palestine UN membership just two days ago.
0,2% of Europe populations are Jews.