MrMarcello
In a well-ordered universe...
Flowers was in the PFA team of the year in 94-95. Don't know if that means he was class that season or the voters were clueless.
Barthez was pretty damn good in his first season, went downhill from there.We didn't have a top class keeper in 00, 01 or 03 but I get the point of the original post.
It is a worry.
Yeah maybe just 00 and 03 then.Barthez was pretty damn good in his first season, went downhill from there.
Tim Flowers was a good keeper and had an excellent few years at Southampton then Blackburn. Was one of the best in the league around that time.Flowers was in the PFA team of the year in 94-95. Don't know if that means he was class that season or the voters were clueless.
A clown from start to finish, if you ask me! I have him down as one of United's poorest keeper in all the years I've been watching them (dating back to Alex Stepney)Barthez was pretty damn good in his first season, went downhill from there.
Gotta credit VDG for the 99-00 season as well, he had 11 starts in the league plus three sub-ons. Bosnich had 23 starts and Taibi the remaining four.Disagree. Case in point...
We won the league in 2000 with Mark Bosnich in goal and in 2003 with a combination of Barthez and Roy Carroll
Bozzie was actually a pretty good goalkeeper - he was unlucky that soon after he joined us, the back pass law changed and he was very poor with the ball at his feet. Different things are expected of keepers now and they clearly train differently from the "old" days. I do wonder how many other greats would have suffered the same way if the law had been changed as they were getting deep onto their careers (I have no idea whether, say, Gordon Banks or Bob Wilson could do what Neuer does)Disagree. Case in point...
We won the league in 2000 with Mark Bosnich in goal and in 2003 with a combination of Barthez and Roy Carroll
I may be imagining things, but the back pass rule was introduced 92.Bozzie was actually a pretty good goalkeeper - he was unlucky that soon after he joined us, the back pass law changed and he was very poor with the ball at his feet. Different things are expected of keepers now and they clearly train differently from the "old" days. I do wonder how many other greats would have suffered the same way if the law had been changed as they were getting deep onto their careers (I have no idea whether, say, Gordon Banks or Bob Wilson could do what Neuer does)
As someone already mentioned the back pass rule came into effect in 1992. Bosnich joined in 1999.Bozzie was actually a pretty good goalkeeper - he was unlucky that soon after he joined us, the back pass law changed and he was very poor with the ball at his feet. Different things are expected of keepers now and they clearly train differently from the "old" days. I do wonder how many other greats would have suffered the same way if the law had been changed as they were getting deep onto their careers (I have no idea whether, say, Gordon Banks or Bob Wilson could do what Neuer does)
He won it in his second season with us and there were many question marks over him at the time.He was a top keeper eight years ago.
He's not now.
It isn't a necessity if you don't concede a lot of shots, but it's down to the whole team, not only back 4.You can have shite keeper and win stuff. Dudek, barcelona, etc.
The point is the sum of your back five total has to be good enough. Top GK helps adds total value. But that isnt a necessity.
Off course you're right, by definition it's the whole team.It isn't a necessity if you don't concede a lot of shots, but it's down to the whole team, not only back 4.
For example, City conceded 65% of the shots we conceded (total number comparison), Liverpool 76%, and Chelsea 78%, Leicester 87%. That is a huge difference. We are on the level of Fulham, Southampton, Arsenal, and Wolves.
For sure.Kasper Schmeichel top class?
Would you rather Ramsdale or Johnstone? Pickford had an excellent tournament.If you ever want to debate Southgate's managerial credentials, he chose Pickford.
Definitely not, for me. Good PL keeper along the lines of Given, Friedel, even Begovic at one point. That's a tier below the 'great' keepers of the PL era.For sure.
Plus he was a massive coke head.As someone already mentioned the back pass rule came into effect in 1992. Bosnich joined in 1999.
But yes to put it bluntly his kicking was shit. Some clearances couldn’t even reach the halfway line!
Apparently his fitness and stamina was a real issue too…
Apart from that TBF he was a good Premier League keeper.
Reminds me of Hugo Lloris. Agile and a tremendous shot-stopper. That 99/00 season he had some very good games in particular the man of the match performance in the Intercontinental Cup against Palmeiras and Real Madrid away.
Is De Gea still a top class goalkeeper ?…and we won’t win the league until we have one.
Discuss.
The golden age of England goalkeepers! Think it pretty much fell apart when Seaman hung his gloves up from international. Still have nightmares about Robinson then Hart, but to be fair to the kid, Pickford has shown his quality in and England shirt, even if he does have his shortcomings, I think he is the best since big old David!Tim Flowers was a good keeper and had an excellent few years at Southampton then Blackburn. Was one of the best in the league around that time.
Would've been England's number one if he didnt have top quality like Nigel Martyn and David Seaman in front of him.
Keeper with a lot of bottle too..
De Gea will become better this season!Is De Gea still a top class goalkeeper ?
He got hurt early in the season, and I think there were concerns over his weight and social habits once he started training with the club. If memory serves, both Bosnich and VDG picked up significant/worrying injuries that August and SAF was forced into panic-signing Taibi, or go with two untested reserve types in Culkin and Rachubka.Plus he was a massive coke head.
He was utter shite for Utd, particularly in the CL. He only played 23 league games, Utd went from him to Taibi in one season that and the Batistuta goal that was right down the middle, highlighted how shit he really was.
Man, I usually agree with almost everything you post, but De Gea as a keeper who had a few decent seasons before falling apart? He was world class for a 4-5 seasons! I still think he's pretty top quality nowadays, although I know that everyone will agree with taht.True. Although he did have a few decent seasons as a promising young goalkeeper, before completely falling apart.
A bit like David De Gea.
Barthez had some bloopers. But he was better than most people remember.Were they ‘top class’ before they won the league, or were they regarded as ‘top class’ afterwards because every team that has won the league has a top class goalkeeper?
Also, Barthez won two leagues with us and Bosnich won one.
Wouldn't exactly call him top class. Maybe for part of his career but in 2003 he definitely wasn't. Ferguson got rid of him the end of that season after losing patience with him as I recall.Barthez had some bloopers. But he was better than most people remember.
Those are interesting stats, where did you get them from?It isn't a necessity if you don't concede a lot of shots, but it's down to the whole team, not only back 4.
For example, City conceded 65% of the shots we conceded (total number comparison), Liverpool 76%, and Chelsea 78%, Leicester 87%. That is a huge difference. We are on the level of Fulham, Southampton, Arsenal, and Wolves.
Fbref.com, total number of shots (but you need to click "see stats against" or sth like that).Those are interesting stats, where did you get them from?