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Hope this is true. I just don't see what some people see in Darmian. He's not that good at defending, his positioning is as worse as Valencia's and he offers absolutely nothing going forward. He can't cross, he doesn't look comfortable on the ball, not very quick and is prone to a lot of mistakes. Darmian will never cut it as a full back here. We'll have no problem finding a club for him too as I'm sure an Italian side would pay decent money for him. Fabinho would be an upgrade for sure and Mourinho knows him well from his Madrid days.

And yeah people have underrated Valencia a lot around here. I think we played much better with him as right back last season. He offered more than Darmian going forward (as seen in the FA Cup where Valencia had a terrific game) and is no worse than Darmian at defending. Actually I was more impressed at Valencia's defensive contributions than I was with Darmian's who was very disappointing.
 

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I don't understand why people are against this signing because signing him doesn't mean we are flogging Valencia. There are a few players we should sell before looking at Valencia so he is safe imo and I'm sure Mourinho will use him on the wing in the big games where we need to be more solid. Fabinho plays two positions to a very high standard which is always a plus in spite of what Mourinho said about specialists, he is still the guy that played Zouma and Pepe in midfield.
Thirty million euros is still doable given that we can and have to sell a few high earners and squad players.
 

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POF said:
You say stats are the only way to make an argument in your first paragraph and then proceed to make a really good argument in the rest of the post with no stats at all.

Valencia is a good option there and most of what you say is true. Certainly closer to the truth than "the best right back in the league".

The argument for TFM is that he is younger, has more time to learn the position and is a more natural defender. With Valencia, my issue isn't just his positioning, it's his inability to spot danger. Neither Valencia nor TFM are good enough to be first choice there now but TFM has great potential and could get there.

Anyway, I said I'd leave it there in my last message, so I really will this time.
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Your right, I've just woke up, and I don't want to waste another few hours arguing with someone :lol:
 

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Do not want. Darmian will come good.
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I have faith in Darmian too but certainly would not hurt to have this guy, one of the best young full backs in Europe. With Fabinho and Shaw our flanks could be sorted for the best part of a decade.
 

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AltiUn said:
I have faith in Darmian too but certainly would not hurt to have this guy, one of the best young full backs in Europe. With Fabinho and Shaw our flanks could be sorted for the best part of a decade.
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Is he really that good though? From what I've seen, he's at a similar level to Darmian, and also plays a similar style. I was hoping that if we moved for a RB, we'd move for a physically strong, quick player (similar to Valencia but technically better). I was personally hoping PSG got fed up with Aurier's attitude and he was available.
 

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Is he really that good though? From what I've seen, he's at a similar level to Darmian, and also plays a similar style. I was hoping that if we moved for a RB, we'd move for a physically strong, quick player (similar to Valencia but technically better). I was personally hoping PSG got fed up with Aurier's attitude and he was available.
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Yeah, he's brilliant, he'll eclipse Darmian in no time in terms of ability. And why would we want a PSG cast off with attitude problems? That's just asking for trouble.
 

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Monaco are hoping for a deal worth €30m for Fabinho

Brazilian reports reaffirmed yesterday that Manchester United were in negotiations for the signing of AS Monaco’s defensive midfielder and right-back Fabinho.

Those claims came as no surprise: it is no secret, as we reported on the 17th July, Manchester United have been in ongoing talks with AS Monaco over the possible transfer for the Brazilian international for some time.

AS Monaco will certainly not let the player go until after their Champions League qualifier 2nd leg with Fenerbahce, but may decide to hold onto him for even longer if they are able to progress to the next qualifying round.

Monaco want €30m for the player, including bonuses.

Talks with Manchester United are in good shape, but the Red Devils have yet to focus their entire attention on this transfer, with the signing of Paul Pogba taking priority.

The player is open to the idea in principle of joining José Mourinho in Manchester, but more concrete negotiations are due to take place next week.

As Le Parisien’s Florian Fieschi states, Jorge Mendes is currently in London, and with another big Premier League side also having taken the temperature with AS Monaco in recent weeks, a deal with the Red Devils remains far from completion, even if it is a distinct possibility at this stage.
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Your thoughts on him?
 

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Is he really that good though? From what I've seen, he's at a similar level to Darmian, and also plays a similar style. I was hoping that if we moved for a RB, we'd move for a physically strong, quick player (similar to Valencia but technically better). I was personally hoping PSG got fed up with Aurier's attitude and he was available.
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Googled him , first two articles:

-PSG defender Serge Aurier suspended after he is alleged to have aimed homophobic slurs at Laurent Blanc and Zlatan Ibrahimovic in online Q&A session

-PSG defender Serge Aurier 'arrested in Paris for hitting police officer'


No thanks.


 

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Tiber said:
Googled him , first two articles:

-PSG defender Serge Aurier suspended after he is alleged to have aimed homophobic slurs at Laurent Blanc and Zlatan Ibrahimovic in online Q&A session

-PSG defender Serge Aurier 'arrested in Paris for hitting police officer'


No thanks.
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:lol: I'm not sure if we can't use the terms of 'homophobic slurs' because Laurent Blanc is not an homosexual. He said a term - french word 'fiotte' - having 3 definitions:

1. Not a man - a man who acts as a woman
2. Someone who deserves contempt
3. Gay - pejorative

Definition 1 & 2 would be more appropriate imho. The context was a chat discussion with some fans on Internet a Saturday night. In any case, he's very very stupid to do so 1 week before the game against City....

Tiber said:
Googled him , first two articles:

-PSG defender Serge Aurier suspended after he is alleged to have aimed homophobic slurs at Laurent Blanc and Zlatan Ibrahimovic in online Q&A session

-PSG defender Serge Aurier 'arrested in Paris for hitting police officer'
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Not the truth. To sum up, the police officer didn't know he was a famous PSG player so has abused his dominant position and Aurier made a complaint and there are witnesses.

So, I'm inclined to think the police has lied once again. I'm not here to defend him.

Not a smart guy sure, but not a bad guy. He has to be more mature off the pitch
 
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MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Your thoughts on him?
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A RB is not a top priority but Fabinho would be an excellent target:

- Young: 22 years
- Superb stats for a defender: 6 goals + 3 assists in 34 games...
- Physically robust & reliable: I wouldn't say the same for Rafael (Lyon)
- Rigorous
- Versatile
- On the French market, Aurier & him are the 2 best RB

I am more excited by Fabinho than Ounas.
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BBRBB said:
I think I already mentioned earlier that I'm not completely sold with Fabinho at RB but I have often been impressed by him in midfield.

He's still very young though so has a lot of time to improve.
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He is a RB but he can be a specialist in the way Mourinho means it because you can give him a tactical mission in midfield, like marking Ozil closely.
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I already commented on him. He is a defensively strong fullback, he isn't bad on the ball but fairly inconsistent. Going forward, he is limited by the fact that he has a good technique for a defender but still pretty average, in defense he is clean, he defends like an italian defenders, he is all about timing, anticipation, positioning and marking. He doesn't go through the attacker.

PS: He isn't the best crosser.

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AltiUn said:
Yeah, he's brilliant, he'll eclipse Darmian in no time in terms of ability. And why would we want a PSG cast off with attitude problems? That's just asking for trouble.
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Fair enough. I've not seen enough of Fabinho to make a proper analysis on him tbh. But from what I've seen Aurier is considerably better and he'd only be a cast off due to his off the field antics, not on the field.
Any French league watchers views on whether Fabinho is better than Aurier?
 

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Who is he most comparable to when he plays DM?

I think this is where Jose sees him playing particularly as TFM seems to be staying and not going out on loan and Jose sees him as a RB.
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We're not buying Fabinho. And TFM is a defensive midfielder, not a right back. He might play there from time to time but his future is as a midfielder.
 

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Sigma said:
We're not buying Fabinho. And TFM is a defensive midfielder, not a right back. He might play there from time to time but his future is as a midfielder.
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I know TFM is seen as a DM on here but Jose specifically said he sees him as a RB next season.

I believe Jose does not think he has the composure and passing range to play at DM for United at this moment.

How do you know we are not signing Fabinho?
 

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Judas said:
That's a whole lot of speculation based on very little.
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I'm going by the French guys article some pages back. Of course it's very little but it's a possibility that we may target him especially since he plays DM well too.
 

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Tom Van Persie said:
And yeah people have underrated Valencia a lot around here. I think we played much better with him as right back last season. He offered more than Darmian going forward (as seen in the FA Cup where Valencia had a terrific game) and is no worse than Darmian at defending. Actually I was more impressed at Valencia's defensive contributions than I was with Darmian's who was very disappointing.
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Tend to agree, at least later on in the season. Valencia seemed more effective, at least going forward, while Darmian n'shrunk as the season progressed. Maybe it's due to LVG, as Valencia already had a season under the philosophy, while Darmian probably got ground down by the critiques, plus shifting to LB & injuries.

I'm ambivalent to the whole RB situation. If Jose wants Fabinho or run out our current RB's, I'll be fine. We have decent enough options, but can see trying another.
 

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Darmian is wanted by Roma. Fabinho may end up cover/competitor/first teamer on the RB flank
 

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Sounds like Darmian if that's the case.
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In terms of physical impact, Fabinho is stronger:

1.88 m (6 ft 2 in) vs 1.82m for Darmian
Weight: 78 kg vs 72 kg for Darmian

Darmian - as a defender - is more versatile but Fabinho can operate as a defensive midfielder.
 

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Talk of Fabinho coming seems to have dried up. Monaco reluctant to sell as long as they are in the Champions League I hear.
 

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This fella played quality against us when they put us out of the Champions League. He played defensive midfield from memory.
 

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With the amount of time our right back seems to get on the ball (Rooney's affinity for the ball out wide), imagine if we had someone there who wasn't as one-footed and single-sided as Valencia.
 

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Can we have 1000 pages for Fabinho too, please? He has a -ho at the end of his name which is important.
 
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