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As I understand it, the Chinese economy is a type of state capitalism, or command economy administered through a series of hierarchical planning structures.
On paper perhaps but when you have the likes of Guanxi so embedded into Chinese social thought it muddles the water completely with regard to what label you could give it.
 

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So what you're saying is it looks like statist capitalism but when you look deeper those mysterious Chinese turn out to be kind of...inscrutable.
I can send you a long, long list of peer reviewed papers if you like? There is no consensus at all on the issue of what China's economy is, there is barely any on what the component parts are - ideologically speaking.
 

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So what you're saying is it looks like statist capitalism but when you look deeper those mysterious Chinese turn out to be kind of...inscrutable.
Laissez-faire capitalists tend to do this sort of conspicuous shuffle when talking about the success of China.
 

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Laissez-faire capitalists tend to do this sort of conspicuous shuffle when talking about the success of China.
This is the sort of thing I get accused of, give me your evidence that it isn't and I'll give you mine.
 

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This is the sort of thing I get accused of, give me your evidence that it isn't and I'll give you mine.
If I said free-market capitalism only works in the USA because of the distinctive American ideal of entrepreneurship, and therefore cannot be translated to other countries, would you buy that?
 

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If I said free-market capitalism only works in the USA because of the distinctive American ideal of entrepreneurship, and therefore cannot be translated to other countries, would you buy that?
As a response to my position that China cannot be described as either socialist or capitalist? No.

The current term doing the rounds for China's economy is 'post-socialist', the only term any agreement can be reached on.
 

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Their progress is hardly disputable
Their growth-rate is quite irrefutable
But command success-stories
Sit ill with the Tories
So let's just agree they're inscrutable.
What part of, I have said they are neither socialist nor capitalist do you not understand?
 

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Their progress is hardly disputable
Their growth-rate is quite irrefutable
But Command success stories
Sit ill with the Tories
So let's just agree they're inscrutable.
I was told by Team Brian GB
That markets are meant to be free
He said "feck the miner,
Forget about China,
We all love the old bourgeoisie"
 

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I was told by Team Brian GB
That markets are meant to be free
He said "feck the miner,
Forget about China,
We all love the old bourgeoisie"
Great response to my position on the Chinese economy, good show.
 

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It is a rubbish article as it doesn't talk about the dynamics of market forces and interraction between institutions, organisations and actors in the Chinese economy.
It's one article from the Economist's special report on state capitalism a few months ago. I wasn't sure if you'd already have read it.
 

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So what you're saying is it looks like statist capitalism but when you look deeper those mysterious Chinese turn out to be kind of...inscrutable.
They also can't say rice when speaking English. Hilariously they tend to say "lice".
 

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That is it, I was trying to think what they were called and was running through Irish places.
To be distinguished from the little-known 'Sligo', which is formally similar but has an extra line:

Though once economically runts
The Chinese are now surging in front
So the Tories demand
They're not classed as 'Command'
Which is obvious bull, to be blunt.
(What a bunch of delusional cnuts.)
 

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Being rubbish at limericks I'd just like to put it out there that Brian rhymes with lots of things like cryin' and that Falklands rhymes with very few things e.g. Gourmands

Plech will sort it out
 

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Being rubbish at limericks I'd just like to put it out there that Brian rhymes with lots of things like cryin' and that Falklands rhymes with very few things e.g. Gourmands

Plech will sort it out

My attempt.

Oh how great it is to be,
His supreme uberlord Team Brian GB,
In his defence of the Falklands
His opponents - 'they're like from RAWK man!'
The things he does for Queen and Country


 

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I'd guess that since the last invasion was due to a lack of cock waving they want to make sure it doesn't happen again even if the chances are remote.
Well, the situation back them was more of a very small flaccid cock that had already been withdrawn into the underpants and the zip on the jeans was almost completely up. There is now a significant station of marines, and RAF fixed wing aircraft on the islands, and 100% sure a Trafalgar or Astute class submarine (forget the Vanguard thing the Argies were banging on about, even if there is one about, we're not going to start chucking a Trident missile on their heads no matter what they get up to) buggering around them. The cock is well hanging out of the trousers already, sending a type 45 destroyer is pulling the foreskin all the way back with blood pumping in. There is no way that even if they wanted to they could invade those islands, and even if they did attempt it, a type 45 wouldn't be of much use due to its current lack of ability to engage surface ships. It can deny air cover for any ships the Argentines might send, but isn't that what the 4 Eurofighter jets are there for in the first place to do? The submarine then just takes them out one by one?
 

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Looks like Brian tried to write a poem
He must have figured "Hey, when in Rome"
But it could have been sweeter
Seems he doesn't grok "meter"
And we all told him "Tories go home!"
 

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Looks like Brian tried to write a poem
He must have figured "Hey, when in Rome"
But it could have been sweeter
Seems he doesn't grok "meter"
And we all told him "Tories go home!"
I am not intending to give a lecture at Cheltenham or anything,

and I am home, though thank you for your concern.
 

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We'd wandered far from the Malvinas
To China, its market, its freeness...
Now we're back to the Falklands
Cos Weaste's here to talk glans
And various zones of the penis.
Now that you mention his cock
I once saw Weaste in a frock
I have to divulge
There was quite a bulge
Though he may have stuffed with a sock
 

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Now that you mention his cock
I once saw Weaste in a frock
I have to divulge
There was quite a bulge
Though he may have stuffed with a sock
He's sunk deeper than that in the mire, though -
He once bummed himself with a biro...
But enough of this - Brian
What's Douglas Hurd's line on
The recent convulsions in Cairo?
 

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Cristina Kirchner has been warned to leave Falkland Islanders to decide their own future as Argentina's president faced a backlash from a group of the South American country's leading thinkers.

Last week, Sean Penn, the Hollywood actor, appeared with President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner to criticise British actions over the disputed archipelago.

But a group of Argentina's leading intellectuals, historians, journalists, constitutional experts and politicians have published an open letter calling on their own government to rethink policy towards the islands they call the Malvinas branding it "crazy" and "absurd".

The 17 signatories accused Mrs Kirchner's government of "harassing" the Falklands population of 3,000, who overwhelmingly want the islands to remain a British Overseas Territory.

The group said Argentina must respect the islanders' right to self-determination and give up its policy of trying to force Britain into negotiating sovereignty.

"It is truly absurd and crazy to force a government and sovereignty on people who do not want it," commented Fernando Iglesias, a former congressman who co-authored the document.

This year marks the 30th anniversary of the Falklands conflict and concerns have risen over the increasingly hostile rhetoric emerging from Argentine politicians who claimed Britain was treating the islands as "the last refuge of a declining empire".

The Argentine government accused Britain of an "act of provocation and aggression" by sending The Duke of Cambridge to the islands on a six-week tour of duty as an RAF search and rescue pilot.

It also accused Britain of "militarising" the South Atlantic with its decision to send the state-of-the art naval war ship HMS Dauntless to the area and early this month said it would appeal to the United Nations to negotiate the issue of sovereignty.

Last week the visit to the Falkland Islands by David Willetts, the universities minister, who stopped off en route to the Antarctic, served to inflame tempers.

And news that a delegation of MPs is expected to travel to the remote islands later this year to evaluate defences led to accusations that Britain was escalating the dispute.

Argentina stepped up its claims to the Falklands when British companies began drilling for oil in the South Atlantic in early 2010. It has since ceased direct flights to the islands and lobbied neighbouring countries to do the same.

Another of the signatories, historian Luis Alberto Roberto, argued that President Kirchner's policies towards the islands were proving counterproductive, and that the government should be looking to forge links with the islanders not isolate them.

"In 1982 we resorted to force. We destroyed what had been achieved over many years. We created perfectly justified hate and fear. We lost the Malvinas. And, furthermore, we lost many Argentinians."

Argentina seized the Falklands by force in April 1982 but the islands were retaken by British troops in a 74 day war that cost the lives of 258 British servicemen and 649 from Argentina.

Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, insisted this week that there was "no current credible military threat" from Argentina but added: "Her Majesty's Government is committed to defending the right of the Falkland islanders to self determination and plans exist for rapid reinforcement of the land, sea and air forces in and around the islands, should any such threat appear."
Cristina Kirchner told to leave Falkland Islanders alone, by Argentina's intellectuals - Telegraph

Good to see some sense coming out of Argentina.
 

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I am sure their feelings are hurt.

For all the problems of Africa, South America is the last holdout of anything approaching radical socialism across the board as evidenced by the likes of Hugo Charvez, Evo Morales, Rafael Correa etc.
I'll take your point, to an extent, regarding previous regimes in that part of the world. Why you think Batista and Pinochet are heroes of mine I don't know, I haven't got high regard for any politicians left or right out of Latin America down the years.

With regard to Africa, the point I was making is that despite all the problems that it has, it doesn't feel the need to go all Marxist as a bloc.
:confused:

Yep, as my continent suffers with the legacy of colonialism, with the West's continuing soft power on the continent, with China increasingly encroaching as well, with the HIV and AIDS epidemic, with war, with famine and drought, with disgustingly poor health care, with unrivaled corruption, with terrible women's rights, with poverty, with brutal right-wing dictatorships, with genocidaires and humans rights abusers, with subsistence economies being ruined by countries higher up the development ladder telling us what to do and how to do it, in the process destroying whatever structures we have ....

I can sit happy in the thought that we don't do what those silly South Americans do, with their electing of leaders like Chavez, Correa, Morales and Lula. What a disaster that would be for the continent.

Can someone put that in limerick form for me?
 

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Quality of life was a disaster,
on the continent of Africa
Their infrastructure in the loo,
Being told what to do
at least they're not in South America!