"FC United no different to us"

[fredthered]

You don't get it...

What the fans and people think now, might not be what they think in 2, 5 or 10 years time. You might not change your views and principles, but you have no control of the people around you.

No you dont get it. THe rules of the club are such that no one can ever buy the club. No matter how much anyone tries, they cannot do it. THe constitution of the club is clear on that one.

Even if a consortium of fans got together and tried, they cannot do it, because there are legally binging rules that prevent it from happening.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

You are completely missing the point.

Success isnt the be all and end all.

Our Principles is what the club survives on, not success, and if success threatens the principles of the club then we feck the success off, not the principles.

Either the powers that be dance to our tune, or we dont take part. SImple as.

If we stay in NWCL2 forever and day, as a result of sticking to our principles, then so be it. No one has said we want to get to the premiership, at least not whilst its being run the way it is now.

Personally, I am happy for FC United to stay as they are, as long as the principles stay the same. If we can rise through the ranks, AND keep our principles intact, then great. But if its a choice between losing our principles or losing success then the success is the one that will go out the window.

You keep saying it, and I keep saying that people's principles may easily be altered.

Personally, I think that if the club's fortunes on the pitch stagnates, the following will drift away over time. It's new, fresh and exciting at the moment, and people are feeling they are taking part of something special. That will only last for so long. If the club has not progressed in 5-10 years time, I think the club will lose lots of the support it has today, and will be just another local non-league club.

I hope the club will succeed though.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

No you dont get it. THe rules of the club are such that no one can ever buy the club. No matter how much anyone tries, they cannot do it. THe constitution of the club is clear on that one.

Even if a consortium of fans got together and tried, they cannot do it, because there are legally binging rules that prevent it from happening.

That can be changed, and you know it

 

[fredthered]

That can be changed, and you know it

NO IT CANT !!!!!

WHy are you being so bloody argumentative.

The rules are such that the club can NEVER be owned by anyone other than teh fans. END OF STORY.

Just accept it...

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

NO IT CANT !!!!!

WHy are you being so bloody argumentative.

The rules are such that the club can NEVER be owned by anyone other than teh fans. END OF STORY.

Just accept it...

It's not a question about me accepting it or not. It's got nothing to do with me.

I am just saying that rules can be changed. If you think they cannot, you're living in your own little FC United cuckoo land

 

[devilish]

You are completely missing the point.

Success isnt the be all and end all.

Our Principles is what the club survives on, not success, and if success threatens the principles of the club then we feck the success off, not the principles.

Either the powers that be dance to our tune, or we dont take part. SImple as.

If we stay in NWCL2 forever and day, as a result of sticking to our principles, then so be it. No one has said we want to get to the premiership, at least not whilst its being run the way it is now.

Personally, I am happy for FC United to stay as they are, as long as the principles stay the same. If we can rise through the ranks, AND keep our principles intact, then great. But if its a choice between losing our principles or losing success then the success is the one that will go out the window.

Under those circumstances I doubt that you would ever reach 2st division level

Stating that good luck.

 

[26 may 1999]

Three months ago we were ridiculed...

"It'll never get off the ground"

Now people are telling us we'll have to put prices up in a couple of years.

People are coming round to our way of thinking.

There were nearly four thousand of us there the other day.

We won't be paying this debt back.

We are spending our money elsewhere.

Does this not bother Mr smarmy marketing man?

We used to open up our wallets freely to the sheep shagging twat.

No more.

 

[swooshboy]

fred,

How will decisions that affect FC United be made?

You keep saying in your posts that FC United will only do what the fans want it to and that every fan has the same volume of voice (as you said, someone donating 100 million pounds has no more say than the kid with 50p).

You speak of fans as being one homogonous group but they aren't. So to use your example of you not wanting FC United to be promoted if that compromises the ideals of the club...what happens if 51% of the fans do want the team to be promoted?

How would the decision be made? Rather than FC United doing what the fans want, it would surely be a case of FC United doing what the majority of fans want. So in 5 years time, for example, you could find yourself in a minority and the club taking a different direction to the one you believe it should.

Not trying to argue, just curious to see how it would work in practice...

 

[The Hairdryer]

Fred,

I also have a hypothetical question.

What if say 55% of FC United supporters want their own stadia and they decide to get loan out to pay for it? What if those loans aren't paid back and the banks foreclose on the assets and someone like Ken Bates makes an offer to pick up the pieces and the same 55% of fans decide to accept his offer. Even this will be highly unlikely surely it's a possible scenario?


.

 

[Life Of Smiley]

Fred,

I also have a hypothetical question.

What if say 55% of FC United supporters want their own stadia and they decide to get loan out to pay for it? What if those loans aren't paid back and the banks foreclose on the assets and someone like Ken Bates makes an offer to pick up the pieces and the same 55% of fans decide to accept his offer. Even this will be highly unlikely surely it's a possible scenario?


.

Impossible. Who does he buy from?

Each 'owner' has ONE equal share, which CANNOT be traded, CANNOT be transferred. YOU CANNOT SELL YOUR ONE SHARE, if you die it transfers back to the club.

You 'buy' your one share each season by renewing your membership. Fail to renew and it transfers back to the club. Ken Bates (or whomever) can only ever own ONE share, you, or a bank, or a fund, cannot buy more than ONE share.

Rocket fecking science it isn't.

 

[26 may 1999]

So i'm not going to become a millionaire when we float then?

 

[Looking Busy]

In short words to help you out a little here;

FCUM can not make a profit, end of.


It can have trading surpluss at the end of the financial year, but it has to stay inside the club, or be used specifically for club requirements. Nobody gets paid anymore, or gets a bonus if they do well, it stays put.

The supporters, or owners in their case, decide how far and how much is spent progressing the club, and at what point that stops.


Not some predatory shark with his fins in the till.


As for being commercially aware. Too damn right they are. Commercially aware enough to know they can happily survive charging people £28 for a brand new replica shirt on their puny buying muscle, compared of course to United's new ones sliding in at £45 a pop with their global buying power to back up the cost price.

The cloth on those Nike replicas must be pretty damn good for your extra £17.

If you think the two clubs outlook on commercialism is even remotely the same, you seriously need to go and have a word with yourself.

Congrat. you completely avoided every point i made and went on you own ramble. Well done

1 point though.
A trading surplus is when money received is higher than money spent
A profit is when money received is higher than money spent.
You can hide behind the minor legal difference if you want but believe me i've worked for charities and private corporations and the basic aim is the same. To earn more than you spend. Whether you call it a trading surplus or a profit it is still the same fecking thing

I never mentioned the two clubs outlook on commercialism is the same purely that both are commercially aware. There is a big difference.

 

[Life Of Smiley]

Congrat. you completely avoided every point i made and went on you own ramble. Well done

1 point though.
A trading surplus is when money received is higher than money spent
A profit is when money received is higher than money spent.
You can hide behind the minor legal difference if you want but believe me i've worked for charities and private corporations and the basic aim is the same. To earn more than you spend. Whether you call it a trading surplus or a profit it is still the same fecking thing

I never mentioned the two clubs outlook on commercialism is the same purely that both are commercially aware. There is a big difference.

Well, thank you for recognising FCUM are commercially aware, which I said, and thank you for recognising they are nothing like MUFC when it comes to their commercial interests, which I said.

Fantastic, we have a winner, at last, here's Tom with the weather!

 

[The Hairdryer]

Impossible. Who does he buy from?

Each 'owner' has ONE equal share, which CANNOT be traded, CANNOT be transferred. YOU CANNOT SELL YOUR ONE SHARE, if you die it transfers back to the club.

You 'buy' your one share each season by renewing your membership. Fail to renew and it transfers back to the club. Ken Bates (or whomever) can only ever own ONE share, you, or a bank, or a fund, cannot buy more than ONE share.

Rocket fecking science it isn't.

Hey bozzo what If the majority of "owners" decided to ammend the constitution?

 

[Life Of Smiley]

Hey bozzo what If the majority of "owners" decided to ammend the constitution?

Zzzzzzz

"The FSA operates a model rule system and monitors changes from the model. Rule changes that fall foul of the constitution or the legal requirements for a Trust will not be registered"

In other words, you can only really bring about catastrophic change by dissolving the club totally, at which point it ceases to exist anyway, and would have to start again in some form.

One other important thing, even if dissolved, the 'trading surplus' left in the club has to go to a charitable community cause, so there isn't even anything financial left for the hawks to swoop down on afterwards.

Bottom line, much to your obvious annoyance no doubt, this whole thing was designed to predator/takeover proof from day one.


Oh, and bozo? What the feck, are you seven?

 

[very Ruud]

FC United fury over 'profiteering' jibes
Stuart Brennan

FC UNITED have accused Manchester United of "spectacularly missing the point" when they spoke out about the rebel club for the first time.

Old Trafford marketing director Peter Draper angered many FC United supporters when he said in that the breakaway club was just a scaled-down version of the Premiership giants.

He went on: "The most interesting thing is that they aren't letting anyone in for free. They will have a sponsor in due course. If they win promotion they will want to buy better players.

"In order to fulfil that wish they will start to sell nice butties rather than curly ones."

FC United spokesman Jules Spencer says that his club, formed in response to Malcolm Glazer's takeover and the increasing commercialisation of Manchester United, is at the opposite end of the spectrum, whatever Draper says.

"He spectacularly misses the point," said Spencer. "But we don't blame him for those views - it is indicative of the bubble that people who run the top level of football in this country, live in.

"We have never had an issue with commercialism at Manchester United, only the nature of it, and where the money is ending up - a great deal of it ended up in shareholders' pockets and now it ends up in Malcolm Glazer's pockets.

"Any money we make at FC United goes straight back into the club. Not a penny is siphoned off."

Supporters

Spencer also points out that FC United now have sponsors - the main club sponsor is the Bhopal Medical Appeal charity, which helps victims of the horrific chemical spillage in India in 1984 which killed 20,000 and has left the city still in serious trouble.

"They have become sponsors because they believe in the ethos and the principles we stand for, as we believe in theirs," said Spencer. "And despite what Peter Draper says, any ticket price rises we institute will be dictated by the supporters on a one person, one vote basis.

"It is strange that Peter should mention that we don't let anyone in for free, just a couple of weeks after we let 700 kids in for free.

"He should know that it simply wouldn't be viable to let people in for free on a regular basis, but we will strive to do things like that as often as we can."

The timing of Draper's comments have interested many at FC United - it came just days after the club had a record 3,808 attendance for their 6-0 win over Daisy Hill.

FC United are getting used to such disinformation - the Padiham manager whose team faced the Rebels in the first game at Gigg Lane in August told his players in his pre-match talk that FC's players were on £600 a man and manager Karl Marginson was getting £900 a week.

Delivery

That rumour has taken hold, with a whisper doing the rounds that FC have a £5,000-a-week wage bill, which is laughed off by acting general manager Andy Walsh. It also came as news to Marginson, who is still getting up at 4am to start his food delivery rounds.

But where IS the money going? When FC United took its first breath in the summer, formed by Manchester United supporters angered by Glazer's takeover, around 4,000 financial pledges raised around £100,000.

And now, with crowds flocking to Gigg Lane to witness a football revolution - fuelled by discontent with high prices, poor atmosphere and the greed endemic in the higher echelons of the game - cash is still rolling into the FC United coffers.

The last two home games have seen crowd figures of 3,110 and 3,808, giving them an average home crowd higher than hosts Bury and neighbouring Rochdale get in League Two.

For their next home game, against Nelson on October 22, FC United will open up the South Stand at Gigg Lane. Hitherto they have only opened the Manchester Road End and Main Stand.

The amazing crowds have brought in an average of around £15,000 a game, with supporters paying £7 a time and £2 for juniors. And that is without totting up the income from replica shirts, scarves, badges and other merchandise, the demand for which are far outstripping the club's current ability to supply.

The cynics have sneered that the club's founding principle, of football for the love of the game rather than for greed, have already been compromised.

Difference

Not the case, snaps Walsh, one of the leading lights in the club's formation, and now a key man in the day-to-day running of the club. "The difference is that every penny we get, through the turnstiles, or from merchandise, is going back into developing the club," he said.

"The £100,000 in donations at the start of the season gave the league, and our players, some surety that we could see the season out even if nobody had come through the turnstiles.

"But we are now in the position where we can look to expand and take our message out to a wider audience. We are also building a fund so that we can eventually have our own ground.

"We have plans for a community scheme starting in a couple of months, including a coaching programme for kids and also a chance for supporters and players to get their own coaching badges. We are also looking at a scheme to produce referees."

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/m...9_fc_united_fury_over_profiteering_jibes.html

 

[Looking Busy]

Well, thank you for recognising FCUM are commercially aware, which I said, and thank you for recognising they are nothing like MUFC when it comes to their commercial interests, which I said.

Fantastic, we have a winner, at last, here's Tom with the weather!

You really are very tiresome. But then again when you chose to avoid the main points of someone post i shouldn't be suprised.

On the commercially aware front I was merely correcting your misinterpretation of my original post. So i guess thank you for recognising that i had it right in the first place

 

[Life Of Smiley]

You really are very tiresome. But then again when you chose to avoid the main points of someone post i shouldn't be suprised.

On the commercially aware front I was merely correcting your misinterpretation of my original post. So i guess thank you for recognising that i had it right in the first place

Sorry, humble aplogies, this is the opening gambit of the 'point' I supposedly ignored is it?;


"So as long as FC are in business they will never make a profit will they"

(First off, bang a question mark in there son, so I at least know it's a test, not a ramble, which is why it was disregarded it in the first place)

So, anyway, how has that 'point' been ignored? The simple answer as stated in numerous other replies, is NO. Not a profit in the way football clubs have been used to in the past. If they make a surplus, it gets used internally for the good of the club, and cannot go elsewhere, anywhere, nowhere.

Then there was some other nonsense in there about the club having to be run as a business. Well, no shit Sherlock? I bet they never considered that over at FCUM Towers. I honestly thought they stuck a pin in a pile of Monoploy money and decided that's what they can use to function for the next week.

When expenditure is required, should that be for capital purchases, player purchases, clean towel purchases, liniment purchases or whatever, the members will decide whether to bother or not via either an AGM or EGM on extremely major issues, or via the juresdiction of the democratically elected board on a day to day basis. The members will ultimately decide the whole direction, agenda and ambition of the club.






Look, I know some of you have your twisted little agendas on here, I know you might not like the outcome of this little 'debate' not quite going your way, but the bottom line is this; when it says it's a non-profit organisation run as a Government sponsored IPS supporters trust regulated by the Financial Services Agency, that cannot be taken over or bought out, I'm afraid that's exactly what it is. Sorry, can’t dress it up as something it isn't.

Anyway, give me a shout when Ken Bates pops up with his offer, I could do with a laugh.

 

[Looking Busy]

Sorry, humble aplogies, this is the opening gambit of the 'point' I supposedly ignored is it?;


"So as long as FC are in business they will never make a profit will they"

(First off, bang a question mark in there son, so I at least know it's a test, not a ramble, which is why it was disregarded it in the first place)

So, anyway, how has that 'point' been ignored? The simple answer as stated in numerous other replies, is NO. Not a profit in the way football clubs have been used to in the past. If they make a surplus, it gets used internally for the good of the club, and cannot go elsewhere, anywhere, nowhere.

Then there was some other nonsense in there about the club having to be run as a business. Well, no shit Sherlock? I bet they never considered that over at FCUM Towers. I honestly thought they stuck a pin in a pile of Monoploy money and decided that's what they can use to function for the next week.

When expenditure is required, should that be for capital purchases, player purchases, clean towel purchases, liniment purchases or whatever, the members will decide whether to bother or not via either an AGM or EGM on extremely major issues, or via the juresdiction of the democratically elected board on a day to day basis. The members will ultimately decide the whole direction, agenda and ambition of the club.






Look, I know some of you have your twisted little agendas on here, I know you might not like the outcome of this little 'debate' not quite going your way, but the bottom line is this; when it says it's a non-profit organisation run as a Government sponsored IPS supporters trust regulated by the Financial Services Agency, that cannot be taken over or bought out, I'm afraid that's exactly what it is. Sorry, can’t dress it up as something it isn't.

Anyway, give me a shout when Ken Bates pops up with his offer, I could do with a laugh.

with all due respect you can shove you "some of you have twisted agenda's" up your arse.

I covered the point about profit and trading surplus in another post which you conviently ignored as well

 

[Life Of Smiley]

with all due respect you can shove you "some of you have twisted agenda's" up your arse.

I covered the point about profit and trading surplus in another post which you conviently ignored as well

Must be cos you sent me to sleep with an earlier one.

Ho hum.


Night night

 

[Looking Busy]

Must be cos you sent me to sleep with an earlier one.

Ho hum.


Night night

such a witty response

 

[Life Of Smiley]

.

such a witty response

Mmm, I was a tad tetchy earlier wasn't I?


Long day, hungry, knackered, etc.


Happy, fed now, less tetchy.

 

[The Hairdryer]

Zzzzzzz

"The FSA operates a model rule system and monitors changes from the model. Rule changes that fall foul of the constitution or the legal requirements for a Trust will not be registered"

In other words, you can only really bring about catastrophic change by dissolving the club totally, at which point it ceases to exist anyway, and would have to start again in some form.

One other important thing, even if dissolved, the 'trading surplus' left in the club has to go to a charitable community cause, so there isn't even anything financial left for the hawks to swoop down on afterwards.

Bottom line, much to your obvious annoyance no doubt, this whole thing was designed to predator/takeover proof from day one.


Oh, and bozo? What the feck, are you seven?

You chose to ignore my Previous post into relation to this when I said that if the banks foreclose on Club if they are unable to pay for a stadium, if they choose to buy/build one. What if an investor buys the stadium off the bank and 75% of the supporters choose to dissolve the Club and restart it? I know this is a long shot but it proves you are not totally infallible to the real world.

BTW, you're one of those dicks that is just here to promote FC United and slag of any official or anyone from United who dares to make any sort of comment about the Takeover or FC United. I urge anyone to take a look those this muppets posts, that's all this cnut does. You're like a really bad version of fredthered. At least you know he's a fecking genuine supporter because he's still United mad and will talk to anyone about any aspect of the Club.

 

[Wibble]

As for the bloke in Oz, Man Utd?

You mean the bloke from Manchester who has been a supporter since before you were born?

 

[ManUinOz]

You mean the bloke from Manchester who has been a supporter since before you were born?

Not quite Manchester Wibbs. Some of these dickheads have never heard of migration.

 

[Wibble]

Close enough.

This thread demonstrates why FCUoM supporters piss off so many United fans. If they wren't so up themselves then there would be far greater interest from the rest of us.

 

[ManUinOz]

Agreed. I have nothing against FCUM, in fact the whole idea of them is a good one. What pisses me off is that some (repeat some) of their supporters seem to need to justify their support for FCUM by slagging off everything about MUFC. The more anti MUFC they seem to be the more cred they get at FCUM, or so it seems. It doesn't come across as anti Glazer but anti United a lot of the time.

It's not Glazers United, it my United, it's Wibble's United, it's Duncan Edwards and George Best's United. It will survive Glazer, we all will.

 

[Ern]

NO IT CANT !!!!!

 

[fredthered]

You're like a really bad version of fredthered. At least you know he's a fecking genuine supporter because he's still United mad and will talk to anyone about any aspect of the Club.

I am not sure whether to be flattered or insulted by that

In reply to your post though, the club cannot ever be taken over in its current form. For someone to obtain control of United, would actually mean the club would have to be wound up, then restarted, which in effect would mean FCUM died and was reformed as something completely different.

The legal safeguards were put into place to ensure that NO ONE can take FCUM, in its current form and turn it into another Chelsea, United or whatever.

The whole ethos of FC United is that the fans own the club, and no one can come along and take it away from them. If we needed a new ground, I assume, ( and this is only my perception of it) that the club would need to have the money there in the bank to pay for it. I wouldnt imagine the club would place itself at the mercy of the banks, not when that is a fundamental reason for the club existing in the first instance.

But talks of new grounds, etc etc are just too premature. Clubs take years to get sorted, and FC United has been in existence for 3 months. Who knows what is round the corner. All we can do is carry on what we are doing, and see where our destiny takes us, but the underlying point is that FC United is not run the same way as Manchester United, whether thats a good thing or a bad thing is down to perception of what you want out your team.

All I know is that FC United is now a properly run, well managed club, and is attracting support from Manchester United supporters. As long as that remains the case, then I dont care what league they play in. They provide me with what I want out of football, and from a purely selfish point of view, thats all I care about. What happens after I am 6 feet under is neither here nor there.

 

[The Hairdryer]

I am not sure whether to be flattered or insulted by that

In reply to your post though, the club cannot ever be taken over in its current form. For someone to obtain control of United, would actually mean the club would have to be wound up, then restarted, which in effect would mean FCUM died and was reformed as something completely different.

The legal safeguards were put into place to ensure that NO ONE can take FCUM, in its current form and turn it into another Chelsea, United or whatever.

If 75% of fans restarted it, they played in the same stadia with the same players and manager wouldn't effectively still be FCUM? Fiorentina went through a similar process not long ago yet their supporters still see themselves as the same Club.

The whole ethos of FC United is that the fans own the club, and no one can come along and take it away from them. If we needed a new ground, I assume, ( and this is only my perception of it) that the club would need to have the money there in the bank to pay for it. I wouldnt imagine the club would place itself at the mercy of the banks, not when that is a fundamental reason for the club existing in the first instance.

I don't think that's the case Fred this is from the FC Unted consitution:

4. In order to achieve its objects the Club may either itself or through a subsidiary company or society
acting under its control:

a. buy, sell and lease property;
b. borrow;
c. grant security over its property and assets;
d. establish promote and maintain for the purposes of the Club any lawful fund raising scheme;
e. award pensions, allowances, gratuities and bonuses to past and present employees (including
their dependants and people connected with them) of:
(i) the Club;
(ii) any subsidiary company or society of the Club;
f. set up and maintain itself or with others trusts funds or schemes (whether contributory or noncontributory)
intended to provide pension or other benefits for the people referred to in Rule 4(h);
g. indemnify or take out and maintain insurance for the benefit of people who are or were:
(i) members of the Club Board or the Executive Board; or
(ii) officers; or
(iii) employees; or
(iv) trustees of a pension fund
of the Club or any subsidiary company or club of the Club against any liability which they may
have as a result of their involvement with the Club or its subsidiaries;
h. indemnify or take out and maintain insurance for the benefit of people who are or were elected or
nominated by the Club to serve on the board of any company owning or controlling the Club;

So basically if the majority of your members decide they want to loan money for a new stadium, training gound, Players or whatever then that's what will happen.

and clause h. Suggest that another Company can indeed control the Club.

But talks of new grounds, etc etc are just too premature. Clubs take years to get sorted, and FC United has been in existence for 3 months. Who knows what is round the corner. All we can do is carry on what we are doing, and see where our destiny takes us, but the underlying point is that FC United is not run the same way as Manchester United, whether thats a good thing or a bad thing is down to perception of what you want out your team.

No one is denying that. The argument myself and others are trying to make is IF FC United want to climb the ladder and be successful, get their own stadium, they are eventually going to have to use loans, up their merchandising and ticket prices etc. They'll even have to change their kick-off times if they want to play in the Premiership. You will not be infallible to the problems that face Manchester United or any other club.

All I know is that FC United is now a properly run, well managed club, and is attracting support from Manchester United supporters. As long as that remains the case, then I dont care what league they play in. They provide me with what I want out of football, and from a purely selfish point of view, thats all I care about. What happens after I am 6 feet under is neither here nor there.

Well that's you Fred but what if the majority of members decide to take the Club to the next level? You won't really have much choice other than to go with it or go and start yet another club. It's also possible if the Club stagnates supporters will eventually get bored of it. It's fine a dandy whilst it's a new novelty and hate for Glazers is still at a premium, but how many non-league Clubs traditionally attract big crowds?

 

[Life Of Smiley]

.

You chose to ignore my Previous post into relation to this when I said that if the banks foreclose on Club if they are unable to pay for a stadium, if they choose to buy/build one. What if an investor buys the stadium off the bank and 75% of the supporters choose to dissolve the Club and restart it? I know this is a long shot but it proves you are not totally infallible to the real world.

BTW, you're one of those dicks that is just here to promote FC United and slag of any official or anyone from United who dares to make any sort of comment about the Takeover or FC United. I urge anyone to take a look those this muppets posts, that's all this cnut does. You're like a really bad version of fredthered. At least you know he's a fecking genuine supporter because he's still United mad and will talk to anyone about any aspect of the Club.

You are seven aren't you? What if, the stadium was kidnapped by aliens and transported to Mars? About as likely as the scenrio as anything you've managed to cough up.

You've been told the facts, it can't be bought out, taken over or anything like that. Get used to the idea and move on.

For a distinct change (minus the childish insults of course) you are in fact correct in your second paragraph about my only reason for ever posting on here. I have no wish to discuss anything MUFC related with the posters on this forum, no wish whatsoever. I was originally given access here by Jason and Bury Red I believe with the specific remit to aim to counter some of the more hysterical nonsense being spouted on the subject of FCUM.

That's all I've ever done. You then misinterpret that as having no interest in the fortunes or daily workings of MUFC. Your worry, not mine.

 

[redfan]

So as long as FC are in business they will never make a profit will they.
They will never become commercially aware.
They will never raise the ticket price

Don't make me laugh.
FC united needed supporters money to set themselves up, if they become more successful they will need to start cashing in on the support. They will never do it to the same level as Manchester United, but they will never be as big. As the original article said it is all about scale.
FC United may be supporter owned but make no mistake to survive they will have to run the club as a business. The current players will only be able to take the club so far, then they will have to sign better players who will want more money, how will they may that money, by cashing in on the support.

If you think any different then you are clearly choosing to aviod some simple facts of life

Barcelona, ring a bell does it.

 

[mickthered]

Seems some people on here want to prolong the argument on here about big United v Little United

LOS was asked to come on here to explain and answer any questions about FC United

Now all he seems to be doing is fending off stupid questions of the "What if type" from some people

Yet if the same questions are asked about Big United all what comes back is that could not happen or will not happen or just put down to media speculation
Yet the same people are still going mad because they are asking questions that can have no answers or they just dont like the reply they are getting

 

[ManUinOz]

....Yet if the same questions are asked about Big United ....

That's Manchester United BTW. How anyone as a supporter, or former supporter, can quosh our history by denying our rightful name is beyond me.

LOS does a good job in promoting FCUM and I have to admit the what if scanarios are a joke.

 

[Wibble]

The questions and "what ifs" only arose because of the overeation of FCUoM supporters to such an innocuous comment.

 

[mickthered]

That's Manchester United BTW. How anyone as a supporter, or former supporter, can quosh our history by denying our rightful name is beyond me.

LOS does a good job in promoting FCUM and I have to admit the what if scanarios are a joke.

LOS was asked on to here to answer questions about FC United as one of the people instrumental in setting up the club I think the powers to be thought that he would be one of the best people to answer questions on this subject

Up to now I would say most of his answers have been reasonable so now we have people trying with the imposible scenarios and the excuse that he has not said anything about Big United so his replys hold no water on the subject

If anyone knows LOS they will tell you that he probably knows more about big United then the vast majority of people on here put together

 

[mickthered]

The questions and "what ifs" only arose because of the overeation of FCUoM supporters to such an innocuous comment.

Would not say it was the comments but more in the way that he said them

stuff like I see they are not letting people in for nothing

A couple of weeks after about 800 juniors had been let in for free
and as if any club would just let people in free of charge all the time

If they get promoted they will have to sign new players

Well considering that many players have dropped down many levels to play for FC United why would they need to sign new players if they get promoted when they allready have players capable of playing not just at that standard but also at one quite a bit higher

FC United is just a scaled down version of Big United

considering most people walked because of dissatisfaction why would they want to set up a club exactly the same

 

[ManUinOz]

Well considering that many players have dropped down many levels to play for FC United why would they need to sign new players if they get promoted when they allready have players capable of playing not just at that standard but also at one quite a bit higher

Are FCUM too big for NWCL2?. You'll obviously walk away with the league, have far more pulling power than BPool Mechanics and the like. Are you good for the league or too big for your boots.
Sure the club chairmen will be glad of the publicity and dosh you provide but a club that's done the hard yards for a few years may well miss out on a promotion because of FCUM. How are you received by the other clubs with your "star" players. Are you the Chelski of non league football.
These are intended as serious questions, I'm not trying to stir it.

 

[The Hairdryer]

You are seven aren't you? What if, the stadium was kidnapped by aliens and transported to Mars? About as likely as the scenrio as anything you've managed to cough up.

You've been told the facts, it can't be bought out, taken over or anything like that. Get used to the idea and move on.

For a distinct change (minus the childish insults of course) you are in fact correct in your second paragraph about my only reason for ever posting on here. I have no wish to discuss anything MUFC related with the posters on this forum, no wish whatsoever. I was originally given access here by Jason and Bury Red I believe with the specific remit to aim to counter some of the more hysterical nonsense being spouted on the subject of FCUM.

That's all I've ever done. You then misinterpret that as having no interest in the fortunes or daily workings of MUFC. Your worry, not mine.

Oh yes I'm the one that's seven. I'm the idiot who got duped by a Headline "FC United no different to us" and automatically thought it was a quote from Draper. I'm the one who's gone competely over the top for a few stating the bleeding obvious remarks.

fecking hell, I was planning to go to FC United game over the Christmas period, but I don't think I'll bother if tightly would cnuts like you are the norm.

 

[VanNistelrater]

Look, I know some of you have your twisted little agendas on here

Thats fecking beautifully ironic.

Listen, I went to FC United and loved it, but if I took FC United to be indicative of some of its fans on here, I would never ever have gone. And thats probably where alot of peoples hostility to FC United comes from, that it's cronies are jumping on everything coming out of MUFC, twisting it, using arguments like 'Everybody hates MUFC, their arrogant' that would only pour out of the mouths of ABUs before.

Please understand that just because you dont care for MUFC so much anymore, that others still do, and dont like to feel that people who were previously on their side are now rubbing salt into the wounds by shoving their doom laden prophecies into their faces with scorn.

Some of your fans on forums and in the media only, because to be fair at the game I thought they were all ace, are creating the distance between the two clubs, not anybody else, your fans on forums, on the radio, on the tele, are all alot of people can see of FCUM, for geographical or practical reasons.