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Hiring Bielsa who got sacked from Leeds when his teams kept conceding 4 goals a game is the most Everton appointment I've ever seen
If that's the case, fair enough, Bielsa could work out in the long term, but how are they going to have the funds to fix up that team? That is not a squad of top athletes. In fact, it's probably the most un-Bielsa-like squad in the PL. So many walking sick notes. I'm assuming they still have their issues with FFP?Think Everton have accepted they're going down. Probably hoping to do a Leeds, rebuild in the championship and come back up playing good attacking football.
They'll have to sell some 'big' names like Calvert Lewin, Pickford perhaps?If that's the case, fair enough, Bielsa could work out in the long term, but how are they going to have the funds to fix up that team? That is not a squad of top athletes. In fact, it's probably the most un-Bielsa-like squad in the PL. So many walking sick notes. I'm assuming they still have their issues with FFP?
Newcastle only got themselves back together because the club was sold and they were taken over by competent owners. Unless Everton sell I don't think the situations are at all comparable.They'll have to sell some 'big' names like Calvert Lewin, Pickford perhaps?
They get the parachute payments in the championship, so it's actually a decent time to sell some players on and restart at a lower budget.
You'd expect a club like Everton will pop straight back up, but this time with fresh ideas and a better mental state.
Similarly to how Newcastle managed to get themselves back together again.
I think he’s more an arrogant tosser than a useless chancer.Just shows you how far a name can get you even if you're a useless chancer.
Experience is only any good if you’re able to learn from it.Yep, their in some mad rush to manage a PL team without the experience to even manage a piss up
He should go back and take some time to learn more about the tactical side of the game. I think he had an arrogance that many top players have when they become managers that they just naturally know what they need to or maybe they just think tactics aren't important. I actually think it would be a mistake to go straight back to managing another club, even at a level below. Even working as an assistant to a top manager like ETH and Arteta did could be useful and then he can try again when he has more knowledge about that side of the game.I think Lampard will be relieved to be out of that mess. It was getting nastier by the week. He needs to drop back down a level and try to start again
Newcastle got promoted before the Saudis joined?Newcastle only got themselves back together because the club was sold and they were taken over by competent owners. Unless Everton sell I don't think the situations are at all comparable.
Question asked, Question answeredI’d be after Calvert lewin if he wasn’t made of biscuit
Fair enough they did get promoted again, but they were also looking dead certs to go right back down before the takeover occurred, so they weren't exactly in a stable position. I also think the standard of PL teams has improved a lot since then tbh, particularly with teams like Brentford and Brighton recruiting effectively enough to make themselves wealthy. They no longer need to sell their players which makes it harder for poorly run clubs like Everton to continue making costly mistakes without it coming back to bite them. Burnley, Sheffield and Norwich are also a part of that yo-yo block that Everton will have to compete with, and if a team with good recruitment like Luton manages to sneak into the PL, that would mean even more competition. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Everton get to a point of no return under this ownership.Newcastle got promoted before the Saudis joined?
I think he's only shown arrogance. It's like he's decided he's going to play a certain way regardless of the players he has available or who the opposition is, and with that he's also tactically naive. I'd be surprised if he returned to management after this, but then again I'm sure uncle 'Arry has some mates somewhere that will hook him up with another PL job at some point.I think he’s more an arrogant tosser than a useless chancer.
Experience is only any good if you’re able to learn from it.
Despite (or maybe because of) his high IQ, Lampard has to date shown a total inability to do that.
Felt sorry for him. He should have been put out of his misery weeks ago.I think Lampard will be relieved to be out of that mess. It was getting nastier by the week. He needs to drop back down a level and try to start again
He's not a good manager but I don't really agree with this either tbh. They're about where they deserve to be. Only Bournemouth and Southampton have weaker squads imo (and at least Southampton have plenty of young talent for the future). Leeds and Forest are probably comparable but I'll take the latter 2 personally. Aside from Pickford, Mina, DCL (which tbh is solely based on what he did years ago) and then maybe Onana and Coady at a push, who else in that squad is PL quality? They're all Championship standard at best.Im suprised it took them so long to sack him, he's a really poor manager. Everton squad is by no means an unstoppable force but they should be doing way better.
If the Everton fans want that kind of football they should bring Big Duncan back!Dyche is the right choice
It’s about staying up at this stage. Probably wouldn’t care if it’s a 442 hoofing balls to a striker if they stay up this seasonIf the Everton fans want that kind of football they should bring Big Duncan back!
Pickford, Gueye, Calvert-Lewin, Doucure, Godfrey, Mina, Gray, Onana and Iwobi are decent players if Everton go down to the championship they'll have no trouble finding teams interested in them.He's not a good manager but I don't really agree with this either tbh. They're about where they deserve to be. Only Bournemouth and Southampton have weaker squads imo (and at least Southampton have plenty of young talent for the future). Leeds and Forest are probably comparable but I'll take the latter 2 personally. Aside from Pickford, Mina, DCL (which tbh is solely based on what he did years ago) and then maybe Onana and Coady at a push, who else in that squad is PL quality? They're all Championship standard at best.
Said names dont need him as an Assistant. Offers nothing, too big of an ego, lacking the actual technical knowledge to assist.He should go back and take some time to learn more about the tactical side of the game. I think he had an arrogance that many top players have when they become managers that they just naturally know what they need to or maybe they just think tactics aren't important. I actually think it would be a mistake to go straight back to managing another club, even at a level below. Even working as an assistant to a top manager like ETH and Arteta did could be useful and then he can try again when he has more knowledge about that side of the game.
He should spend 6 months with his Uncle before his next jobSaid names dont need him as an Assistant. Offers nothing, too big of an ego, lacking the actual technical knowledge to assist.
Most Assistant Manager are low profile technical help to the manager
Quaffing his pint of wine in front of a kebab.Where's big Sam nowadays?
The attack is a bigger problem than the defence. The players we have in defence are good enough to have any decent manager come in and sort it out. The problem is that our attack, midfield and defence are completely disconnected from each other leading to us being so easy to play against as we have no attacking or defensive dynamism.I don’t think Bielsa is the right fit, they need a manager who will sort out their defence, someone like big Sam or Dyche.
That's silly, Everton is a Premier League job, you can get a quality coach or a really good international manager and risk it. Someone ugly and boring like Unai Emery but a good tactical coach. Have to look outside England, but there are even young guys like De Zerbi who are well respected for their work in mid-table, like foreign versions of Eddie Howe.It was the choice between him and someone who decided to go on SSN and chat shite before even being appointed. We never 'wanted' either of them but it was the choice we had at the time.
I think he deserved the opportunity after keeping us up to carry on and it is the right thing of the club to try and have continuity with a manager rather than sack them just because. Around about the time we lost against Bournemouth twice is when the alarm bells should have been ringing and the way we lost against Wolves and Southampton should have been it. Either way, we should have had plans in place from the WC of who we would like to take over if it gets to that so things can move quickly.
At first I thought it was too risky, but after thinking it over, they have a midfield with good mobility and a target man, and those are the basic requirements for a Bielsa team. Need a new CB who can run or Godfrey to get it together, but it would suit their front 6 and probably the Ukranian LB and Pickford.They should just got for bielsa. His attacking style of play could keep them in the prem or he could be to open and they get relegated but then he’ll probably go straight back up with them anyway. They’re probably gonna go for someone like dyche though and play it safe but that can’t be a long term appointment surely.
The board haven't shown that they're interested in managers outside of England which is why pretty much every manager we have hired since Moyes aside from Ancelotti has had EPL recency bias.That's silly, Everton is a Premier League job, you can get a quality coach or a really good international manager and risk it. Someone ugly and boring like Unai Emery but a good tactical coach. Have to look outside England, but there are even young guys like De Zerbi who are well respected for their work in mid-table, like foreign versions of Eddie Howe.
It's Mykolenko who has been rubbish this year in terms of our full backs. Patterson is good enough if he can shake off his injuries.At first I thought it was too risky, but after thinking it over, they have a midfield with good mobility and a target man, and those are the basic requirements for a Bielsa team. Need a new CB who can run or Godfrey to get it together, but it would suit their front 6 and probably the Ukranian LB and Pickford.
The betting favorites are Dyche and Bielsa, but they're probably 2 signings away from Bielsa working out, whereas Dyche might work right away with McNeil and Gray wide behind Maupay/Gordon and Calvert-Lewin and I guess you could play Iwobi as a #10 and no 2nd striker, or even at RB. Or you sell Iwobi while his value is up and buy a quality RB and a #6/8 to backup Onana and Gueye, probably someone who can pass a bit since you're starved for creativity.