“unstable sporting project”. Barca’s mouthpiece really have a lack of self awareness.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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He'd be joining a manager he likes and trusts, playing in a position he favours, week in and week out with no real competition.
He'd be an automatic starter under ten Hag i'd imagine too. Sport are just full of shit saying he's reluctant to join, because they've ran with the narrative that he's absolutely dead set against joining United, so to do a 180 and say he's absolutely willing to join would be pretty ridiculous for them
And how exactly are they going to register their players? They have an agreement to sell him, were trying to create a bidding war with Bayern and Chelsea and are quite clearly trying to force him out of the club.
But that was the old regime, don’t you know? Well, we have a new CEO too, but I’m sure there is a succinct way to say that their president, who is asking players to make sacrifices, while making none himself in terms of the number and caliber of players bought is infinitely better than our guy, who is apparently happy to rule over the shambles left by his predecessor and is not learning from the mistakes of said former chief, thus keeping us unstable or making us worse. Mes que something, something, I believe.
Michael Carrick wasn't a 'star' but he is the type of player our dysfunctional midfield is crying out for.
At Barca he is played out of position. Look at his performances for the Netherlands NT and for Ajax to understand the excitement surrounding this signing.
This guy will transform our play out from the back. His passing breaks the lines and beat the press. He is exactly the player we need and he is available in a summer when nobody else really needs a player in his position.
I think you don't get it. You say paying him 17M to leave is straightforward and it is but so far they have offered him 3.5M and have now begrudgingly increased that to 7M. That still leaves 10M reasons not to leave none of which has anything to do with him not wanting to join United.
I just have a really hard time believing we would still be chasing if he had categorically told us he didn’t want to come here. It would be monumentally stupid!
We don’t care because our transfers have been excellent. Last season we were a bit short at CB during the last quarter of the season and we didn’t have a legit Casemiro replacement either. This year both those issues have been resolved early in the season. We have also gotten rid of many players who didn’t contribute last year. Maybe we should invest in an attacker but it’s not crucial.
In terms of Barca’s financial stability, everything is just speculation. Surely the buyout fund who invested in them, would have made sure that they are investing in a solvent company.
It wouldn't happen i don't think. Ten Hag wouldn't push for a target he wasn't sure we'd be able to get, and to push hard enough for us to actually go over to Barca to get a deal agreed with them, we wouldn't do that if we weren't absolutely certain he wanted to come.
I know perfectly well how Barcelona are doing and what they are doing.
And the future of the club does not depend on this market or these levers. It will depend on the management they do each year.
And if a year they have losses they will not be able to register for the FFP. That is its purpose.
I think it's more likely his agents trying to drum up interest from Chelsea and Bayern than Barca. Sure you can blame us for many things but we agreed a fee with you already, Barca want him gone and don't really care where he goes.
Nobody here is stating that he does not want to leave but that doesn't mean that FDJ does not recognize that he may have to leave.
Nagelsmann/ Tuchel or money 
Well the agents attempts at drumming up interest is falling on deaf ears, as i'm sure Bayern have ruled him out and Chelsea have more pressing matters to deal with rather than yet another midfielder to add to their bulging collection
While that's true, it doesn't stop Mendes for example
Just boot him out already!
Why does he have to be a “star”?
he’s a player that the coach believes will fundamentally change the way we play. Isn’t that good enough?
Barca aren't going to accept a lower offer and neither team seem willing to gazump us so he really has no options.Nagelsmann/ Tuchel or money
It's just a matter of time fellow muppets, he's ours.
Still riding this train...
These lot
“Unstable”, he plays for the most unstable club in the top flight football currently, and then they quote one of the next most unstable clubs as a more interesting prospect. Lolz
Don't know if it's been posted but seemed to be a good insight.
Another week or so i'd say until this is sorted and done. Barca are getting impatient and it seems we are too if (and it's a very very very big IF) Sport are telling the truth (which i'm sure they're not).
The sum of what we’re hearing and reading strongly suggests Frenkie coming in, but I do have one concern: whether the wages we’d be paying him would unsettle the squad.
ETH identified FDJ as his most wanted acquisition for this window, and the club's doing everything in their power to make that a reality.
We'll drop the whole idea when/if ETH decides FDJ isn't worth the hassle. But as things stand, we're still very much all aboard the FDJ train.
Does a loan work for Barca though with their financial situation?
Could someone do an analysis and show if it is the same set of people repeating the same pro and anti stances all through the 1000 odd pages? Or whether the names have continued to change every 100 pages or so?
Well it doubt it's black and white like that.
I wonder if we need to offer him that high wages, since he's being pushed out of Barca and nobody else seems to be interested in buying him.
Also, if he's willing to stay and Barca being played at CB, this "he's coming for ETH" is just a PR spin to cover us paying him insane wages.
I just hope he's playing his cards to get what Barca owns him, but yeah, I'm not so sold on this idea of offering him high wages - we might get stuck with him just as Barca now. We've made that mistake quite a few times already.
it’s pretty much the same although a few muppets have been lost along the way
Back in midfield!
Why on earth would we pay him 17m more than he'd be getting at Barca? At most it'd be the 450k, which would just repay the 17m.
Initial reports way back when we agreed the fee with Barca were around 320k p/w for him (which is around what we offered Pogba as well). I don't think we'll bear the brunt of Barca's errors. Barca and FdJ will reach some compromise and it'll hopefully be a fresh contract for us going forward.
I can safely state that I have been a raging throbber all along.
My understanding is that he's owed 17m on top of his regular wages as that's the amount which was deferred. I can't see us paying it anyway.
DeJong is not Michael Carrick. DeJong is not what I would say we need right now.
Playing well in national team and in a league that is beyond top leagues is not measurement of how good a player is. In Barcelona, he hasn't show anything extra for me to say that he would makes us lot better. I am actually happy that we got Eriksen who is above DeJong in football quality although they don't play exaclty in same position.
He don't have to be a star. That was not point. Lot of players that have come to us are not stars and became great players and very useful. What I was saying with that is that money and time we are putting into it is like he is big star that would make us win everything instantly. I always said that I hope I'm wrong if he comes and he is all that. But I can't see that looking at what he has done in Barcelona shirt.
So who DO we need right now then?
Please don't say Neves, Ruiz or Tielemans. They seem to be the go to guys for anyone who's saying walk away from de Jong
I never said he was. Was making the point that not every player in a team has to be a 'star'.
If you don't believe FDJ would massively improve our midfield I guess we will leave it there.
We don't need the player the manager has determined is vital to his gameplan
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