Be nice if he did.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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It might reflect where the club are at but when you have such a big audience, the constant negativity is sickening. I saw someone retweet one of his clips saying, De Jong isnt even worth it and we would be better spending 90m on 2 players like Neves and someone over De Jong.
Clearly has no idea how good De Jong is.
Secondly, he championed back the manager then now shits on the club because they want to try get Ten Hag's number 1 priority.
Is that really the worst idea ? Who knows, it may actually come to that.
I think we can do better than Neves though.
It's not happening (or at least shouldn't be) at that price.
Go get the other targets in, come back when Barcelona have to register their new signings and they'll actually be forced into a sensible discussion.
Imagine we were trying to flog a player on a big wage who'd spent 3 years below their best? There's no way we'd be able to get a profit on them, and given they haven't yet paid all the add ons over the €86m deal with Ajax yet, that's what they're asking for.
Big day tomorrow!
It is a bad idea, I will tell you why.
This is why, Manutd fans have complained for years about not backing the manager, alot has been said about not getting LVG's, Jose's, Ole's first targets.
When the club now are trying to get ETH's main target, people saying, "is it worth it".
Well make your mind up, do you want the club to back the manager? yes or no?
It is very well reported that ETH sees building a team around De Jong, well, I cannot think of any other footballer who is his quality.
Unless you can name me some?
Yes I find this with him, there is no winning. He just sits and rehashes the same stuff over and over and over, it’s so negative it’s draining. He won’t be happy no matter what the club do. As a fan base I think we would all like changes at the club, would all like to be competitive and win trophies.. that’s a given but my god if it really makes you that angry and bitter then you should probably just stop. Sometimes you just got to go along for the ride and the fact is he knows as much about our transfer dealings as we all do. 0. Feck all.
His non Utd stuff is so much more entertaining now because he feeds into the absolute worst part of our fanbase. The ultra negative clueless fans that are now taking a hold on here too. Just relentless downers. But those are the people paying his bills so I don’t blame him for feeding them and giving them what they want to hear.
But it isn't what people want to hear. It's just what people are thinking right now, including most of this forum.
Blaming him for relentless downers is frankly bizarre - does anyone want to hear fantasies about how great things are?
Where did I blame him? You only have to look at the sort of people commenting on his live videos to see they’re just negative children and man children that think they know best and are constantly slagging the club off. He’s not to blame, but he certainly doesn’t discourage them and I don’t hold that against him, they pay him well.
Other than that all of this though, decent post.
To be honest, i ah e followed Man Utd quite some years and i have seen the decline of non footballers leading the club. This is exactly where cruijffs revolution was all about at Ajax. He took the power from the non footballers and made sure we had ex footballers leading the club. We have become so much better after that
Agree, him saying he has sources is totally false, I tell you why. A source wouldn't give information to someone when they know its going to be in a video for everyone to see. Considering his videos come across quite cringy now, thinking he knows alot.
Also, I do think he is jealous as some of other fan channels have some sort of interaction with the club, we have seen Flex getting chance to interview players, Howson on a show with Rio and Goldbridge gets nothing.
It has caused him to become really bitter and spill negativity, its actually tiring to see someone become so toxic.
Surely by July 1st we’ll know that it’s either on or off?
Either it will finally have a breakthrough, or we’ll get a Griezmann style “ended interest” leak
Either it will finally have a breakthrough, or we’ll get a Griezmann style “ended interest” leak
It's quite remarkable that everyday someone rehashes the same story about the clubs being in contact but having not agreed on a transfer fee. I haven't visited this thread for about a week and the most recent updates are the same as the last time I saw them 
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5% less than it was in May. Get in.
Down from 95% to 90% now 
I don't know about other fans but I've always complained that we indulge our managers too much. You see no other managers at any top clubs demanding X be signed to their owners. But here we are wasting time on one player with someone impossible to deal with. I understand this is not Football Manager where you can finish negotiations but it is clearly time we start negotiating for other targets, at least that would not make us so desperate. Is ETH's style of football so unique that there are no other midfielders in the world who can play that position?
And no it is not my job to search for midfielders or any fans', we have scouting teams for that. All I know is that there are a few good midfielders out there who can quite easily improve us. Instead of looking for them we are again chasing a big name at a time when no one would willingly sign for us, which is going to make us give crazy wages, agent fees and more transfer fee(as we are desperate).
Oh and ETH managed Ajax after FdJ left and he did it quite well with whoever replaced him. Why can't he then find another midfield target?
Slow news day mate?Do you know this?
€75m straight up + 11m in potential variables/add-ons in 2019
They're basically trying to recoup their money
How do you know that?
Presum8ng some of the add ons were success linked (and not all appearances), would they have paid full amount?
How do we know anything that happens in football stuff? Only through news, rumours and the past, at all top clubs coaches give a profile of who they want or if they want certain players not sold. It's only at Manchester United, the managers get to throw a tantrum and fans lapping it up every year.
I'm really interested to see the wages we plan on paying him because he's already on crazy wages. He's on like 350k a week at Barcelona and that's part of why they want to shift him. Oddly enough this is rarely brought up on the CAF who are obsessed with players on high wages. Would be classic United for Ten Hag would flop here and get sackand we'd be left with an unhappy De Jong on high wages who would now be difficult to shift.
I am sure he does, but if he does that then he would have to change his system, a midfielder who can drop deep into the CB roles, collect the ball and drive forward is one of the ways he has played with Ajax. When FDJ left ajax contrary to what people like to say he did not continue with the same style, he completely changed the style. So I imagine he has a style in mind to play, if we don't get Antony/FDJ I imagine he would have to consider changing that. I would guess he has decided on this style because it allows us to compensate somewhat for our CB pairing, without FDJ maybe we have to go for a very different setup, needing other changes.
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Have patience guys. Sure we are slow as we had been for years and we are only targeting the players the manager wants without bothering to come with alternatives. However its evident that this new setup is far more effective then the others
Yeah. We've seen reports saying how vital he is to Ten Hag's system and that's why we want to sign him first before other positions(not because of budget). I'm guessing missing out on him would tweak our transfer plans a bit.
The club did back Jose and Ole. Jose got Pogba and Lukaku who were both big money signings he wanted that flopped. Ole also got his players as well. The biggest issue United has is being so one directional with their primary target as if they are the only player on the market. We should have moved on from De Jong weeks ago if it was going to hinder the rest of our transfer strategy. The fact we haven't signed a single player yet after the season we just had and losing 6 players is a shambles. All the top 6 bar Chelsea have improved their squads already and we are playing catch up.
Our recruitment team is the living definition of insanity
Surely you need evidence to prove things have changes unless you're being sarcastic?
That's exactly what I'm worried about as well, it seems like we don't ever learn. I was happy when we appointed ETH, I thought here is a guy who is known to working to with DoF and mainly does coaching and concentrating on things on the pitch. We'd have Rangnick and others doing scouting and looking at targets who would fit the mould of ETH's style of football. Here we are again, right back to where we started after SAF left.
Fans should understand that business transactions are not always clear cut, especially between big clubs. Ignoring what is being put up by the media, it is quite clear that Barcelona wants to sell and De Jong is also interested in coming, so it makes sense why Manchester United are spending time on a deal that does not cut down their budget, yet also remains attractive to Barcelona. The club will only move away if there is no way of Barcelona reducing their demands. At the moment, the situation is positive so the club will still be working on the deal.
As for other options, the club certainly has alternatives and they also have a deadline for the De Jong deal. They probably have contacted the agents of those players, but they can only proceed with the negotiations if the De Jong deal falls through. It is quite risky to concurrently negotiate with the alternatives, as the agents for those players may no longer want to work with the club if the club decides to pull the plug.
As for other options, the club certainly has alternatives and they also have a deadline for the De Jong deal. They probably have contacted the agents of those players, but they can only proceed with the negotiations if the De Jong deal falls through. It is quite risky to concurrently negotiate with the alternatives, as the agents for those players may no longer want to work with the club if the club decides to pull the plug.
There's no real reason this should get resolved until both clubs want players back for training. As he played in the Nations League, I'd imagine that won't be until at least a few weeks from now.
We don't want to overpay, it makes no difference to Barca if they sell him today or 1 minute before they need to prove they're solvent to register new players. There's no incentive to sort this, other than, well the poor player and his life!
We don't want to overpay, it makes no difference to Barca if they sell him today or 1 minute before they need to prove they're solvent to register new players. There's no incentive to sort this, other than, well the poor player and his life!
We paid everything upfront for Maguire. I can't see us doing that here.
I would hate to be the mugs to bail out Barca by giving them the exact cash they need to tie them over to the next season.
Jose wanted Maguire as a CB, got Lindelof instead. SO you rather the club say no we need to move on to the manager who has said, I want De Jong, the rest of the signings, I will take a backup?
There is a reason he wants De Jong, we have been ridiculously bad at moving the ball from CB to CAM, I cant think of any other player who is as good as him in doing that.
All 6 have improved their squads? City have Haaland but could potentially lose Jesus, Sterling, Bernado.
Liverpool have lost Mane and got Nunez, is that an improvement?
Arsenal have signed a Odegard backup.
It isn't a myth. He's a Forrest fan that has always liked United but he didn't support us like he claims to. I think it was the red issue lot that exposed him years ago. He started out as a fake ITK on twitter until he was called out on it then he became Mark Goldbridge and started the United Stand around the time Arsenal Fan TV and fan cams were becoming very popular.
The scenes when the Glazers take their dividends this Friday and neither De Jong or any other signing has been brought in. New era and all.
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