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Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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De Jong, Lewandowski and Raphinha: The devil at Barcelona is in the financial detail
The next big date in Barca’s summer is July 16, when the team fly out to the US for their summer pre-season games against Inter Miami in Miami, Madrid in Vegas, Juventus in Dallas and New York Red Bulls in New Jersey.
If De Jong makes the plane, it would suggest he has succeeded in holding firm against being forced out. If Lewandowski or Raphinha are on board, it could mean the TV rights lever has been activated again, and Xavi really will have a significantly strengthened squad for the coming season. The presence of other players with uncertain futures, such as Dest, Depay and young midfielder Nico Gonzalez, could also be significant.
Experience suggests that nothing is likely to happen quite so quickly at Barca.
Another important date is July 12, when Lewandowski is due to report for pre-season with Bayern.
July 30 is a deadline Barca have set themselves to provide a financial update to La Liga regarding next season’s salary limit.
The next big date in Barca’s summer is July 16, when the team fly out to the US for their summer pre-season games against Inter Miami in Miami, Madrid in Vegas, Juventus in Dallas and New York Red Bulls in New Jersey.
If De Jong makes the plane, it would suggest he has succeeded in holding firm against being forced out. If Lewandowski or Raphinha are on board, it could mean the TV rights lever has been activated again, and Xavi really will have a significantly strengthened squad for the coming season. The presence of other players with uncertain futures, such as Dest, Depay and young midfielder Nico Gonzalez, could also be significant.
Experience suggests that nothing is likely to happen quite so quickly at Barca.
Another important date is July 12, when Lewandowski is due to report for pre-season with Bayern.
July 30 is a deadline Barca have set themselves to provide a financial update to La Liga regarding next season’s salary limit.
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No, he just offered to pay it in installments.
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Such an excellent post, Pearl Jam fan. This is the highlight of the thread so far.
It’s mad how de Jong was the first signing we wanted to make but we’re on course to sign at least 2 players before him. Think we realised that this one’s going to take longer then we thought so we may aswell grab our other targets.
Post of the year
I really thought this one would be straightforward-ish... I'm far from certain that's it going to happen now
Just like the series Lost this started out really interesting and amazing - but now they keep adding new twists every week and I just want it to end.
didn't they end up being Christ and his disciples, or something religious like that? I wonder which of our players would be which disciple...
Be really really interesting to see how this gets resolved if neither club wants to pay those wages and as a player he isn't exactly thrilled to be joining us (so he isn't going to say yes* to a reduced payment to force it through).
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Apparently they all died in the initial crash and were stuck in some kind of purgatory until they faced their demons and moved on. Or something like that.
OK, today we are leaving on a pre-season, so here's some points in anger in frustration:
1. De Jong is good, but he is no Zidane, Pirlo, etc. There are other options out there.
2. De Jong is considered to be essential to what it's like totally absolute new philosophy, style and way of playing. The PL starts in less than a month now. I don't want to see Fred, McTominay, Bruno, Martial etc. who doesn't' know what to do in pressing and creating (see Rangnick's tenure...)
3. Not last - De Jong said with his own lips that Barca is best club and he wants to stay. Not a twitter fraud. He said that! And he could just leave "No comment" and that's it. Why are we begging more than 70 days for a princess, that would not even say our name, if her father (aka Barcelona) wasn't broke?
I say: Call back the negotiators from Barcelona and find a replacement, and get it done in 72 hours. No, this could happen - see Thiago to Bayern, even Martial and Falcao to us and many more.
If we want to start the new season prepared for a first time in a decade - this is the only way!
1. De Jong is good, but he is no Zidane, Pirlo, etc. There are other options out there.
2. De Jong is considered to be essential to what it's like totally absolute new philosophy, style and way of playing. The PL starts in less than a month now. I don't want to see Fred, McTominay, Bruno, Martial etc. who doesn't' know what to do in pressing and creating (see Rangnick's tenure...)
3. Not last - De Jong said with his own lips that Barca is best club and he wants to stay. Not a twitter fraud. He said that! And he could just leave "No comment" and that's it. Why are we begging more than 70 days for a princess, that would not even say our name, if her father (aka Barcelona) wasn't broke?
I say: Call back the negotiators from Barcelona and find a replacement, and get it done in 72 hours. No, this could happen - see Thiago to Bayern, even Martial and Falcao to us and many more.
If we want to start the new season prepared for a first time in a decade - this is the only way!
Barcelona's game here is pretty evident. They realise they messed up by giving FdJ the contract they did to sign him to beat off the competition from PSG and are trying to force him to accept a pay cut, and are using us as a pawn to do that. They won't mind keeping him on reduced wages, but won't mind selling him either if he refuses to take a paycut. I would normally have wanted us to walk away from this but this guy is what our manager has earmarked as essential to his plans so we need to at least give it a good shot. In any case, this whole thing stopped being interesting about 2-3 weeks ago, and I wish this would just end one way or the other soon.
issue is he is owed money and Barca do not want to give him what he is owed, that is the biggest issue.
Or we have agreed a fee, so can allocate money elsewhere while we let the shenanigans play out.
This one is in the bag.
I'd be pretty pissed off with Barcelona re: owed wages and want to leave. He does not seem to want to. Are we placing all our eggs in one basket? Should we not just walk away and find another target?
Whenever there’s an update on this move
1. I agree.
2. Judging by Rangnick's tenure we should sell ALL our players bar Ronaldo and DDG and start over with new ones, so that's not relevant imo.
3. He said that but almost all players say that about their clubs until they leave, only in rare situations a player under contract would say he wants to leave.
No one really knows why we can't sign FDJ and if we ever will.
Big day today.
600.
600.
Yep unfortunately we have put all of our eggs in the Jong basket.
I see the delirium stage of the saga had hit the thread
Just leave the deal until july 30. They will come back begging. They are forced to pay him 18m euros this year.
Yeah, looks like he might very much be one of the "throw a lot of shit and the wall and see what sticks" type journalists. Unfortunate but I remain somewhat hopeful that this will (eventually) get done.
Yeah, but barca owe him money. Agree €70m?
Thought it was €65m plus 20 in add ons or some crap, why the sudden shift?
Off we go again on this fecking Spanish merry-go-round. Until he's paid what he's owed, I really don't see anything happening.
Thought it was €65m plus 20 in add ons or some crap, why the sudden shift?
Off we go again on this fecking Spanish merry-go-round. Until he's paid what he's owed, I really don't see anything happening.
What a non sense stupid club is barca. Make a promise, force players to play on reduced salary and then deny them their wage. Absolute disgrace of a club.
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Hmm.... Lewandowski, Pogba, Sanchez, de Ligt, Ronaldo..... Only to name a few recently
UEFA should step in and force Barca to pay the money owing to De Jong.
How would it be if every club conducted their business like Barca? ….absolute chaos, transfer market dead. If UEFA imposed a ban on all Barca transfers until monies owed players were settled… they’d soon cough up.
How would it be if every club conducted their business like Barca? ….absolute chaos, transfer market dead. If UEFA imposed a ban on all Barca transfers until monies owed players were settled… they’d soon cough up.
Maybe we should give up on this deal and go for Ruben Neves.
We need a Craig David tagline for the 'walk away' crowd
Only Utd could cock this one up , the incompetence of the dealings of transfers is mind blowing . Most top clubs are done and dusted us still messing about and leaving the door open for Chelsea .
Get it done or walk away.
Get it done or walk away.
Maybe we should but ultimately it seems like a manager's decision to hold onto this deal
I don’t understand why so many want to give up and sign a lesser player when this deal is basically agreed. It’s only Barca issues holding this up, and so many gullible fools are falling for Laportas BS.
If you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs, then you’ll be a muppet my son!
If you can keep your head when all around are losing theirs, then you’ll be a muppet my son!
Get this fecking thing over the line. Mes que un club? Mes que un cnut.
Chelsea's interest seems like good news for those wanting it resolved ASAP one way or another
Often when another club enters a saga it forces one of them to pay up and it goes quicker out of necessity
Often when another club enters a saga it forces one of them to pay up and it goes quicker out of necessity
I don't believe the Chelsea interest is real though, it seems total Barca side created fiction. I doubt we'll fall for it, but if it gets the signing done sooner, oh well if we do.
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