Especially TielemensPeople say w*** a*** there's plenty of other options, and then just mention bloody Neves and Tielemansgod no.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Sounds like a superpower. De Jong, time and space bender - coming to cinemas near you!
And if he doesn’t, then what?
Hopefully this happens but the new Athletic report make it seem like this will go down the wire. He wouldn't be going on tour with Barca if this was getting resolved any time soon.
Am I right in thinking these Chelsea leaks didn't spread as wildly as Barca had hoped? Literally one paper, the Mail of all papers have caught on and all they're doing is quoting the reports in Spain and not any new info
We've seen with Van Gaal the effects of players joining late.
Unmitigated failure, waste of money, just like Kevin de Bruyne was at City.
With which players and when did it happen?
Bloody Neves is quite good. Better than Tielemans.People say w*** a*** there's plenty of other options, and then just mention bloody Neves and Tielemans
Not to dwell off topic for too long but as a Lostie back in the day it's my nerd duty to intervene and say that ain't how it ended at all. Lost had its fair share of issues but it was great TV. For those that need reminding:
Everything that happened in regards to the island happened; it's just in season 6 they use the "flash forwards" to have people meet together in a sort of afterlife after all of them pass away eventually (some on the island, some way later of old age etc). It's not really *that* complicated of an ending but it's amazing how it whooshed past so many heads back then.
People complaining about missing the tour, isn't it pretty normal that bigger transfers only get completed deep into the window? Haaland with his release clause is a different case, but which stars were ready for their new team's preseason tour?
That fella who the dippers signed??
We’ve seen no such thing. If we sign De Jong, he’ll be on a 5 year deal, and whether he signs at the beginning or end of July will have no impact on the success of his stay here.
Cant be arsed mate
You reckon it makes no difference if the manager gets all the elements of his team assembled months before the season starts so that he can tweak formations, positions and the players can bond versus new signings getting parachuted on deadline day?
It’s normal regardless of size anyway, international duty often impacts player’s pre-season involvement every year.
It will have an impact on EtH and building the team around FDJ as he so fervently wants.
The more they play together the better to mould a good team.
They will play together for the next 9 months when he signs. 9 months plus two weeks will make very little difference. Pre-season is a fitness exercise first and foremost.
You made an argument but cant be arsed to back it up, all right.
Yeah it certainly helps but its not as if our season will spectacularly fall to pieces if we dont get all the players before or during preseason. As @Rozay said, they'll play together for the next 9 months.
Every positive post is attacked by fanatical pessimists any post with a hint of disappointment is attacked by posters trying to drown out the negativity.
Such hostile replies to a rightful complain I have. I'll refrain from posting here and let both sets of extremists fight it out.
both would be a bit underwhelming for me
but both improve us quite a bit too, sadly
Simon Stone. Simon Jones. How many Simons are there?
Although this transfer window is not a catastrophe it is *iss poor.
The psychological reset and new blood that was plainly needed after the end of the season hasn't materialised.
We keep drawing deadline marks in the sand...."...as long as we get the new transfers in by end of June..."-"....as long as we get them in before preseason training...."-"....as long as we get them in before the tour starts...."
So far our activity is not upto scratch.
We should know by now that being linked with a player means nothing. His signature is all that counts. The rest is just fluff.
It's clear that our determined approach to land FDJ is purely down to ETH's insistence that we get him and that is beginning to cause me some concern. The message ETH is sending is that he needs FDJ to deploy the tactics that he wants us to use to progress as a team and as a club. The problem with that, in my eyes, is he's putting an enormous amount of reliance on FDJ being a messianic lynchpin to our team. What happens if FDJ breaks a leg during the season?
Shouldn't a good manager be able to build a succesful team without absolutely needing one individual to make it tick?
The psychological reset and new blood that was plainly needed after the end of the season hasn't materialised.
We keep drawing deadline marks in the sand...."...as long as we get the new transfers in by end of June..."-"....as long as we get them in before preseason training...."-"....as long as we get them in before the tour starts...."
So far our activity is not upto scratch.
We should know by now that being linked with a player means nothing. His signature is all that counts. The rest is just fluff.
It's clear that our determined approach to land FDJ is purely down to ETH's insistence that we get him and that is beginning to cause me some concern. The message ETH is sending is that he needs FDJ to deploy the tactics that he wants us to use to progress as a team and as a club. The problem with that, in my eyes, is he's putting an enormous amount of reliance on FDJ being a messianic lynchpin to our team. What happens if FDJ breaks a leg during the season?
Shouldn't a good manager be able to build a succesful team without absolutely needing one individual to make it tick?
I know a Simon Chadwick so that's at least three "Simons" in the world. Ridiculous isn't it?
Peach as well
100% confident we sign him.
Likely will drag on, but not worried at all.
Likely will drag on, but not worried at all.
Nope, your ‘rightful complaint’ is just being questioned. I think some things actually sound like they make perfect sense on paper/online - to the degree that people disregard whether the reality supports it or not. We’ve been watching football for long enough to see that many, many players - of varying success sign at all stages of the window. We’ve also, surely, by now seen too many pre-seasons where important players are missing due to international commitments, or simply injury.
Pre-season has use, but it’s use is exaggerated. It’s primarily a fitness exercise and a commercial tour. For all the talk about shaping the team, we’ll probably line up with Tahith Chong or something next week. It happens every year.
Players needing to be in place from the very start of pre-season sounds logical and makes perfect sense, and I’d 100% agree if not for the fact that the reality does not reflect that. Not meaning to sound hostile, but at the same time, it’s about calming what has been posted over and over as either a cause to raise alarm, or a cause to revel in our supposed ‘incompetence’. It really doesn’t matter that much.
Yes, i agree with most of what you say here.
That said, any manager wants to start working early with his new players and also the players themselves get to know the way the manager wants them to play a bit earlier.
Sometimes not picking up points at the start of the season can impact the final PL table for teams.
Just my opinion.
yeah it was piss weak. They could've gone for something interesting like a Silva-FDJ swap deal and rumoured City would pay some of the outstanding cash.
To carry on what @Rozay was saying
When we signed RVP, he didn't have a pre-season with us and he was still our best player that season.
When we signed RVP, he didn't have a pre-season with us and he was still our best player that season.
It'd been a bit more believable if they'd linked him to a club who actually needed a player in his position.
Going to Chelsea would be pointless, and knowing how much they want Ronaldo (well the owner anyway), i doubt they'd tread on Uniteds feet and scupper any chances of getting him. Thats why they were were waiting to see if it breaks down in my opinion
I don't get the constant chirping about getting him in for preseason. Yes we want the guy for preseason, in an ideal world we'd have everybody through the door right now.
It's not an ideal world and that's never going to happen. What do people moaning about this suggest, we sign someone inferior for the next 5 years just to satisfy your immediate demand to see him on a flight to Thailand?
What would be perfect for the manager is not in dispute but the reality is it's a complex transfer and we have to get our transfers right. That is the crux of the matter this summer and it's apparent that not getting this player isn't a compromise worth making for the manager. Especially for the sake of a preseason tour, you don't sacrifice your midfield staple for that and you don't compromise your whole plan for the summer either in terms of finance.
It's not an ideal world and that's never going to happen. What do people moaning about this suggest, we sign someone inferior for the next 5 years just to satisfy your immediate demand to see him on a flight to Thailand?
What would be perfect for the manager is not in dispute but the reality is it's a complex transfer and we have to get our transfers right. That is the crux of the matter this summer and it's apparent that not getting this player isn't a compromise worth making for the manager. Especially for the sake of a preseason tour, you don't sacrifice your midfield staple for that and you don't compromise your whole plan for the summer either in terms of finance.
Personally think his lack of pace and mobility could be an issue, he is great in a counter-attacking team, but in a high energy high tempo team that Ten Hag favours I dunno how he would adapt.
This is so right but it doesn't mean that ALL players can integrate easily into the teams.
Some do and some don't.
There are simony.
Not all do, but the fact that ETH already coached De Jong increases the likelihood of him integrating well.
According to whom?
Its different when you've got an established team buying a player from the same league.
We have a new manager, a team which will have at least new 4-5 starters with a totally different style of play and none of the new signings have played in the league before.
Drag those heels Murtough. Let's get Antony and Martinez in and let Barca sweat. Eriksen, Malacia, Martinez and Antony are fine to take to pre-season.
I'm convinced FdJ doesn't need 3 months to get going in a system / role he already knows very well.
I'm convinced FdJ doesn't need 3 months to get going in a system / role he already knows very well.
For every reason you mentioned, it is catastrophe. Piss poor was last season, when we again refused to strengthen the midfield, despite adding Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo.
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