Why would they care? Their job is to play football, not worry about the finances of the club.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Yes and the part I'm reading doesn't read like opinion. Rather the basis for which he forms his opinion.
Yes, because any hint of having an alternative contract puts the deferred wages in doubt from a legal perspective. Nothing signed, but surely it’s been discussed.
It backs nothing. There's no new info to back your stance. It's just further reinforcement using the same old info that we already know. Luckhurst will basically reword this a few weeks after if de Jong isn't a United player by then, and we'll be having the same old conversations.
It'll be a job well done for Luckhurst, though, who's probably reading the Caf and r/reddevils to see what can get him the most engagement.
I am sure you are right, they won't give a sh**
We’ve reportedly walked away from Timber and Brobbey in the past three weeks due to the players preferring Ajax. Not sure your argument is valid.
Not like Sancho’s protracted saga that spanned over 12 months seems to have made him persona non grata in the dressing room, has it?
Pretty much the essence of it yeah.
I really hope you're right. Especially since we had his agent in Carrington for a while.
Remember when Robben said he couldn't wait to play with Ronaldo but got kicked out by Madrid anyway? Or how Sneijder was famously forced out too? De Jong talking about being happy at Barcelona is exactly the same type of standard procedure as them. And that was when the transfer was in its infancy behind the scenes things are probably not the same in that same interview he said he has no preference where he wants to go and that if a club called him with interest he'd listen
On the bolded part you have no evidence of this. If they prefer to keep him why have they agreed a fee with Utd? Because they'd just shove us off if it was clear they have to do it if they didn't want to. It's a case of who blinks first and like De Jong Barcelona will drag things as much as possible till they're faced with a decision to make. With their levers coming in time will tell
If he stays, he'll still be registered and will stay likely be a starter just like he always has been since he joined. And he'll get paid his increased wages which Barca want to avoid, but can't do anything about. My guess is he is open to leaving, provided he gets paid what he feels he is owed but might not be contractually obligated to.
Either way, he's too good of a player where Barca won't bench him if they keep him, so he probably is fine with either option.
Truthfully none of us know how this might pan out. The bigger question now is how much are we willing to RISK playing next season without a really decent midfielder. I would say we simply can't allow that happen so at some point we need to move on Neves whether we like it or not, at which point this farce ends.
I would suggest that time is very close, if not now.
I would suggest that time is very close, if not now.
Barca sure know how to play hard.
We've done it for a while now, what's one more season?
I think im the only one that found it funnyWas meant as a funny muppet meme. I can delete if it comes off as that.
This chat uses a lot of ''clear", "by definition", "100%" and "certain".
I think he'll still come, and I think Barça is probably horribly led. They've yammered themselves out of more immoral business before, so could even be a chance that he'll stay and they CAN actually register the new fellas.
Then again, all words "by Frenkie" were said by someone else (mostly guess-work and no more than alleged inside information), so whether he really wants to stay is still up in the air and not based on a single factor I assume. Meanwhile, Laporta and Alemany both said they wanted him to stay, but had a lot of difficulty in saying those sentences without big BUTs. Which would seem to favor the stance of the anacondas in this chat.
Outside of the fact I prefer Man Utd to Barça, on a personal and player profile level I really hope he makes the move. It's getting sad to see him used as the Donny rather than the Frenkie of a team. For Barça I assume Gavi, Nico and Kessié would all be more natural Donny's than Frenkie is, and in the 4-3-3 next to Pedri and Busquets that seems to be the preferential fill-up right now. Meanwhile Man Utd only has Donny's, so many in fact that Donny himself simply won't get any minutes.
I think he'll still come, and I think Barça is probably horribly led. They've yammered themselves out of more immoral business before, so could even be a chance that he'll stay and they CAN actually register the new fellas.
Then again, all words "by Frenkie" were said by someone else (mostly guess-work and no more than alleged inside information), so whether he really wants to stay is still up in the air and not based on a single factor I assume. Meanwhile, Laporta and Alemany both said they wanted him to stay, but had a lot of difficulty in saying those sentences without big BUTs. Which would seem to favor the stance of the anacondas in this chat.
Outside of the fact I prefer Man Utd to Barça, on a personal and player profile level I really hope he makes the move. It's getting sad to see him used as the Donny rather than the Frenkie of a team. For Barça I assume Gavi, Nico and Kessié would all be more natural Donny's than Frenkie is, and in the 4-3-3 next to Pedri and Busquets that seems to be the preferential fill-up right now. Meanwhile Man Utd only has Donny's, so many in fact that Donny himself simply won't get any minutes.
Sorry I thought in those cases we were shown the door, not left voluntarily.
Pretty much this.
No player would want to stay after being treated that way. Feck Barca what a shitty club.
Barca don't even appear to be forcing him out. I think they've probably accepted his stance and will try to make him so happy that he negotiates down on his salary in the future.
If that’s right we would see a press conference with Barca and FdJ. This is not over.
Exactly. Because I assume their incoming deals are structured in a way to rely on them getting 100% of the money we pay them. And that can only happen after the 30 July (and how ever long the La Liga review process takes).
As for Lewa, if I'm not mistaken he did get on the Bayern pre-season flight and was transferred the next day. Thus giving him as example
They're just kicking the can down the road. It's the same with the levers, they still need to drastically reduce costs and they're happy to put the pressure on everyone else but them, Xavi, his agent, him, United.
It’s really hard to believe that we would go this far, and continue working on the deal for this long without the assurance that FDJ would join.. especially since ETH is supposedly in constant contact with him, even if he’s not, I’m sure Frenkie would’ve told ETH that he’s not coming and we would have moved on.. not saying that it would happen (because of the wages situation) but it’s only logical that we have some type positive talks with FDJ, otherwise we would have moved on.
it ain’t even August yet to be fair.
We got time.
We got time.
We’re in desperate need for an update from @Jaae
Why would it?
I don't even get the point he's making about the Luckhurst article. That he'll repeat it all in a few weeks? He's saying it's stuff we already knew, so why has nobody been talking about the fact that we're negotiating in the hope that Barca can force him out? That's new information (although I said I suspected as much).
To announce what? That they are no longer selling him? Maybe they won't and they'll just continue with their pre-season.
As with all of his opinion pieces, Luckhurst nitpicks specific info that he's gotten to form the basis of his opinions. He basically ignored the info about de Jong being open to leaving Barcelona (reported not just by the United journalists but also the Barcelona ones) on top of ten Hag being in contact with the player's camp to allay his concerns. He also ignored info about the deferred wage payments stalling the deal altogether.
Sure, de Jong wants to stay, but he's also open to leaving the club as reported multiple times in the past. Ignoring this and other info in our favour is dishonest and frankly something that an opposition fan would do.
So basically we expect all transfers to be done in public now and clubs have to behave in a certain way? Can you tell me one transfer which has been done fully in the public eye where everything has been put out there for all to see?
What's happening internally will not be what's being fed to the media, and I bet if we knew exactly what was going on everything would make sense to us as to why we're sticking around.
Also people asking for a quote about de Jong personally assuring ten Hag he's going to come... are you seriously asking for one? You honestly think ten Hag will tell the press anything like that? Or even de Jong for that matter. I think some people are so convinced this is dead and buried that they dismiss anything positive as lies. United wouldn't stick around with no assurances.
Luckhurt is basically giving his opinion in the piece this morning, pretty much nothing more there.
Yeah that's what I think. Sweeten him up and then during the season make a play for him to reduce his salary out of love for the club yada yada.
I won't pretend to know the details of this deferred wages nonsense, but Barca clearly owe him something.
Yeah, I'm sure Xavi will continue to play him if he stays, but would you want to play for a club that want you out? Pride alone suggests not.
I mean if you read it you will realise it backs the point that De Jong wants to stay. Again, agreed there is no new information, the same information we knew months ago that he doesn't want to leave.
Which is what is concerning, the caf being hell bent on him coming based on "assurances" over conversations with Ten Hag, yet the stance is De Jong wants to stay.
He's ignored that for obvious reasons ie because his info says different. He's saying his agent has informed Barcelona that he wants to stay.
That's way to big of a risk for Barca. They can't afford his wages for next season so it'll either be reduce them now, or get rid however they can.
If de Jong refuses to leave and expects Barca to honour his current contract, well they're just screwed really
Pretty sure Sport said the same the other day, wonder where he got his info from. He's picking and chosing what he wants to report, nothing more nothing less
Dangerous game though, if he just says no, they'll likely be breaking their salary cap.
Every start of the week - reports that he doesn't want to leave, mid-week - reports that United received reassurances that he wants to join. Rinse and repeat.
FDJ cannot weaken his position in the current Salary negotiations, so his agent will continue saying that he doesn't want to leave until they pay him. Normal business conduct.
FDJ cannot weaken his position in the current Salary negotiations, so his agent will continue saying that he doesn't want to leave until they pay him. Normal business conduct.
I would far rather that we got someone like Tielemans who would play his heart out for the club and spend the rest of the money on a top class attacker. Between this and the Ronaldo soap opera it is just boring at this stage.
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I thought United had agreed to cover the owed wages when the transfer fee suddenly rose to £75 million + a futher 10 in addons overnight. But I'm not so sure that's the case anymore.
He wouldn't use the "is believed" part to state that if it was his info. Journalists use that phrase to portray info that's not their own without necessarily attributing the others (or if there are too many people to attribute). Matt Law and Ducker both use it as well in their pieces. If this was indeed info that he got, he'd go with "sources indicate" or something to that effect.
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