sewey89
Incorrectly predicted the de Jong transfer 2022
That’s when we’d know that we were actually out of the raceSo… how long until United leak a face saving load of bollocks about how they’ve rejected the player
That’s when we’d know that we were actually out of the raceSo… how long until United leak a face saving load of bollocks about how they’ve rejected the player
Definitely, let's apply the same logic - why would you negotiate a fee (at this stage) if you didnt have have a clear inclination the player would want to join. Unless you are United of course.Chelsea coming in to agree a fee isn’t great news. They were reported to be waiting to see if the player could resolve issues with the club before getting involved.
The fact they are trying to agree a deal now suggests they believe the player would be willing to come now and any issues resolved.
I also don’t know why people keep insisting chelsea don’t need him. Kante and Jorginho are not long term solutions anymore. One more season at best. Chelsea probably weren’t actively looking to improve that area but at the same time players of FDJ calibre don’t become available every summer. If the opportunity comes, sometimes you have to take it. Rather than trying to see who’s available next summer.
I do back the club, why? Because I'm sick of the over the top criticism that the club receives on here, which mainly stems from things made up in posters heads and conspiracy theories. (Woodies best mate/Glazer Stooges/Coaches do nothing all day/scouts are crap/Murtough is unqualified/Fletcher knows feck/the club can't negotiate more than one player at a time/PR spin United etc etc)No matter what happens ever, you back the club and stick up for everything they decide, so it's all a bit worthless, there's zero balance.
The meltdown in here IS over the top though, because nothing has really changed, nothing of note from the De Jong side of things.
So, if you were FdJ, with no connection to our club apart from the coach, you'd choose United? Right now, you'd choose United over Chelsea?How on earth is Chelsea a "better prospect"?
They're a far smaller club, he'd have greater competition in the CM position and their coach might be gone within a couple of months.
United actually have a coach in place who understands how he plays and won't misuse him as he has been done over the past few years.
And also, it's a matter of honour and principle.
And not sure why you're saying "United" when United are only so committed due to Ten Hag. It would also be Ten Hag looking "foolish" too ergo a snake move from De Jong.
They'd be so stupid to pay another club's debt off. Especially of that amount.They could just pay him the 17m if they were really keen to get the deal done?
Could be because Frenkie is more open to leaving to go there so will forfeit more of his wages owed to make it happenThey'll now take a lower fee from Chelsea? Makes sense
Very clearly a better option for him. We have no chance now Chelsea are in sadly.Don't forget about living in London. Some of the reports coming out during the past few months have been how he doesn't fancy Manchester.
He was absolutely on point on every angle during Boehly buying the team. He has known every target we have gone after during the transfer window. Someone at Chelsea is feeding him information but it is only as good as what Chelsea knows. It was that Matt Law had all the inside sources at Chelsea, and he still seems to know what is going on. Ben does seem to be an addition since Boehly became a thing.He gets information directly from the owner.
You would think, that FDJ must have given positive signals throughout, that he was willing to join United, and surely after the fee and deal structure has been agreed between the clubs, United would be openly able to discuss directly with the player and his agents.I have no faith in our negotiators. I think we were almost hoping he would change his mind and waited all summer on a "maybe".
I think it’ll move pretty quickly now. It was reported chelsea were just waiting on the sidelines until they felt the situation was resolved at which point they’d come in to agree a fee. Sadly I think that’s the point we’re at now.Whatever happens I'm sure we'll get the juicy behind the scenes story in the coming months.
At this point I think we all just want it done and dusted as soon as possible. If Chelsea swoop in and sort a deal out in 48 hours at the very least it'll all be over.
Who reported FdJ think United are a mess?It's likely. I think this whole thing would have been a lot smoother if he genuinely wanted to come here. All through this saga there has been reports that he wants CL football (and I'm guessing wants to challenge for trophies also). If the stories about him thinking we are a mess of a club are true, then he's probably highly sceptical about our situation, no matter how much he rates ETH. He probably realises our squad is low on quality, our top player wants out. He will 100% consider the possibility that ETH goes the same way as all the other managers before him that couldn't polish a turd either and got sacked.
Far more successful than utd who haven't won a trophy since 2016.How on earth is Chelsea a "better prospect"?
They're a far smaller club, he'd have greater competition in the CM position and their coach might be gone within a couple of months.
United actually have a coach in place who understands how he plays and won't misuse him as he has been done over the past few years.
And also, it's a matter of honour and principle.
And not sure why you're saying "United" when United are only so committed due to Ten Hag. It would also be Ten Hag looking "foolish" too ergo a snake move from De Jong.
Our negotiators got a deal a while ago while Chelsea doesn't have one at the moment. The issue has been stated many times, De Jong and his agent want their money from Barcelona.I have no faith in our negotiators. I think we were almost hoping he would change his mind and waited all summer on a "maybe".
So… how long until United leak a face saving load of bollocks about how they’ve rejected the player
Personally I don't, but Ornstein is as reliable as they get.Why do people believe all garbage posted by "twitter journalists"?
He wants Champions League football and Chelsea are in the Champions League. Last season, they were also closer to the title than we were. It may come down to just that.How on earth is Chelsea a "better prospect"?
They're a far smaller club, he'd have greater competition in the CM position and their coach might be gone within a couple of months.
United actually have a coach in place who understands how he plays and won't misuse him as he has been done over the past few years.
And also, it's a matter of honour and principle.
And not sure why you're saying "United" when United are only so committed due to Ten Hag. It would also be Ten Hag looking "foolish" too ergo a snake move from De Jong.
Don't think Chelsea is a good choice either tbf.Chelsea is obviously the best choice if I was De Jong.
I think it's on him if he's insisted we stick by this transfer and it doesn't come through. We don't know that's the case, but I'd be amazed if he wasn't the one pushing for this. Whatever happens and whoever is to 'blame', I don't think it's worth getting too upset about.That's not his job ffs
We did get Lukaku thoughThe vibe was a lot better when it was a one-horse race. It usually doesn't end well for us going head-to-head with Chelsea in the market, Hazard, Essien, Mikel, Robben, Pedro, etc.
How on earth is Chelsea a "better prospect"?
They're a far smaller club, he'd have greater competition in the CM position and their coach might be gone within a couple of months.
United actually have a coach in place who understands how he plays and won't misuse him as he has been done over the past few years.
And also, it's a matter of honour and principle.
And not sure why you're saying "United" when United are only so committed due to Ten Hag. It would also be Ten Hag looking "foolish" too ergo a snake move from De Jong.
Yes.So, if you were FdJ, with no connection to our club apart from the coach, you'd choose United? Right now, you'd choose United over Chelsea?
Seemingly about to spend £50m on a backup LB and 80m+ on another midfielder they don't need. They'll probably also be on the look out for a striker/forward before the end of the window.ho much are Chelsea spending this summer.. ffs
It's irritating. I'm not going to speak for everyone in the UK but given the choice between living in London Vs Cheshire / Manchester I'd choose Manchester all day. Even a millionaire can get stuck on the M25. Manchester is one of the best nights out you can get in your 20's too (which apparently has motivated Grealish at least har har)Don't forget about living in London. Some of the reports coming out during the past few months have been how he doesn't fancy Manchester.
Mikel and Pedro worked out well for us, thoughThe vibe was a lot better when it was a one-horse race. It usually doesn't end well for us going head-to-head with Chelsea in the market, Hazard, Essien, Mikel, Robben, Pedro, etc.
No, smaller in every sense of the word and every aspect.Smaller in terms of fanbase? sure
They're a million miles ahead of United in every other department, I bet there's few players willing to join United over Chelsea these days.
Also find it hard to believe that Chelsea (after the summer they've had) wouldn't have spoken to FDJs representatives first.Find it hard to believe that not only did we check with the player to see if he wanted the move if we came to an agreement with Barca etc but that we also checked with the player and said if other particular clubs are also interested would you still join ETH at united. Surely ourselves and FDJ expected other clubs to show interest if he was available ?
Either way some of the **** comments are very beta about how it's over now Chelsea are interested. We've signed bigger players than Frankie without CL football.
Relax and see what happens.
Chelsea clearly committing a lot of funds to this window. Arsenal the same. Spurs have too since January. City are spending, as are Liverpool. None are having to off-set this against major funds raised through sales.Seemingly about to spend £50m on a backup LB and 80m+ on another midfielder they don't need. They'll probably also be on the look out for a striker/forward before the end of the window.
Their summer net spend will look massive without any major sales.
I always liked Mikel but agree on Pedro.Mikel and Pedro worked out well for us, though
Pressure from the British side? Not sure about that, this is different than the countless Sport tweetsI trust ETH to sell FDJ this gig.
Chelsea under new owners isn´t a sure bet by any stretch of the imagination.
This is just to pressure us to go all in.