Most fans were just confused. Obviously not happy but not angry also. Surprisingly he was well received. As showed in the poll by superdeportes. Fans accepted the fact and were prepared to see what he could do. Thousands showed up to his presentation and first open training session.
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He did. But he was confident and so wanted a translator so nothing came out the wrong way. His players said he communicated in English from day one.
How can you explain it otherwise?You are relentless
Good lesson for him this. Everyone always praised his punditry - I was never impressed. He always sounded one dimensional and set in his ways. Mocking other coaches and other playing styles and tactics because he thinks there's only one way to play football. I always thought he sounded niave and disrespectful. Maybe if he were more open minded and willing to learn the merits of different ways of doing things, he wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.
Him and Van Gaal are the two most luckiest managers to still be in a job right now.He hasn't won any matches with Valencia yet and this is what the league table looks like since he took over.
He's a magnificent pundit but there's a big difference between being a pundit and being a manager.
The words magnificent and pundit just don't go together. Because its a secondary, parasitic role. Players and managers can be magnificent. But not people who sit around watching and commenting. They can be articulate, even charismatic. But they are never magnificent.
Was thinking that.
Big difference between Van Gaal in this comparison is that one team is 4 pts out of the relegation zone and the other is 6 pts from CL spot
They just seemed to have lost their discipline, very erratic and in November they had a disappointing draw at Mestalla against the awful Las Palmas followed by a meltdown performance at Sevilla.Why on earth was the previous manager sacked for being five points off the Champions League places?Were there other factors?
They risk starting in the second division, if they let Gary stay.
Exactly.
Agree but more disruption could have same result.
How do you even know that about Giggs
? There could be plenty or reasons for not wanting Giggs as our manager but that has got to be the weirdest one I've read.Whereas this Forum is frequented by many who have decided that because Gary has failed, Giggs will too.
He looks like he wants his mummy.Well out of his depth and there's no shame in that, only his refusal for Valencia's sake to accept it.
Just looking through some of the reports and this image from the Barca match sums it up.
He's not nearly ready.
What's weird about that? You see or hear him ever discussing anything other than what his mates all always spouting? Come on. Where else is he supposed to get any other knowledge when he won't cut the umbilical cord and leave United to add to his experiences?How do you even know that about Giggs
It is weird because you make an assumption based on a few things he says when we basically know feck all about him as a real coach. He may know a lot of things just as he may be really limited but I sure as hell ain't gonna make a presumption about him. When we'll see him as a coach (hopefully somewhere else than at Utd) then we'll know for sure.
Fine if you won't make a presumption about it, but as this is a speculative forum and I've never heard a damn thing from him that shows an ounce of the intelligence needed for a managerial role, I have a right to make an observation.
Nothing is as weird as Robbo saying he's our Guardiola, purely because he played under Fergie and that he was an international for Wales.
Let us indeed. I just find it unfair on Giggs, he gets criticized too easily on the caf.
It is hard, Guardiola is a one off. To use that example as some sort of template for rookie coaches is incredibly stupid IMHO, it'd be like hoping for young players to develop like Messi/Neymar etc etc ..Nothing is as weird as Robbo saying he's our Guardiola, purely because he played under Fergie and that he was an international for Wales.
It's hard when people you admire and respect talk utter shite
Why is your opinion on this matter 'less shite' than our revered and legendary ex captain?Nothing is as weird as Robbo saying he's our Guardiola, purely because he played under Fergie and that he was an international for Wales.
It's hard when people you admire and respect talk utter shite
You honestly think Ryan Giggs being an ex international for Wales has anything to do with what sort of manager he's going to become?
I agree. Football pundits are like accountants or lawyers. They do nothing except feast on others successes and failures.
If Robson said giggs could be our guardiola because he played for ferguson and was a Welsh international then he is talking rubbish. You can use that argument on quite a few players. Like the guy at valencia right now
Because his opinion isn't based on irrelevant points.
The guy at Valencia is a completely different situation: he is not at the club he played his entire career, in a new league and can't even speak the language.
David Moyes knew the league and it's players inside out tbf....
Back the original point, playing for Ferguson and being a Welsh international = new guardiola. Not hard to see why it is a shit argument
I don't think Giggs would cope with managing a top side right off the bat. There are a lot of reasons why Guardiola was successful at Barca and this can be seen easily with Enrique.
Generally common sense and the ability to discern what is appropriate from what isn't. You know, the things that make us human.
Come on Sammy; you're on a hiding to nothing here. There is literally no legitimate argument in favour of Giggs unless you're a moron or Holt. Or Twiggie.
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It's one of those ''qualities'' that has grown legs with this Giggs stuff. Knowing the club and being able to run it are two different very things.
