There’s a pretty huge thing you’re missing here. Neville said until Kane didn’t turn up for training 3 weeks ago he was a saint. That’s bollocks. He’d already given an interview before Spurs’ final game during the season where they needed a win to qualify for Europe where he not only stated he wanted to leave but named his price. A price City then offered funnily enough. That’s fine according to Gary though - yet Pogba’s agent saying his client wants to leave isn’t. Hypocritical bollocks.
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Exactly!
The whole post but the bolded part in particular.
Neville can still have a good relationship with Kane & Kane be unprofessional.
Exactly. It’s as clear as day. Souness doesn’t even try to hide it, Neville tries to be a bit more cute about it, but you can tell.
As ever in large crowd, the sentiment will exist on a spectrum. Some will think it's funny, some will be annoyed, some will totally hate Kane.
The fact that this was the entire Tottenham crowd means that you've got 10s of thousands of people on that spectrum.
Where this differs from the Pogba example is that you're only get a few dozen who are doing this. There's absolutely no hint of it being a widespread chant. By sheer weight of numbers, it's not comparable. United's fans aren't doing it en masse.
Thought you said it was another video?
Souness, yes.
With Neville, you're believing the hype.
Pogba has done things that deserve criticism and things that deserve praise. Just because somebody discusses both sides of the story when you only want to hear one, that doesn't mean they hate him.
The worst thing Neville has said about Pogba is that he should leave if he doesn't want to be at United, and that instead of committing a handball one time he should have ducked.
This should be obvious to absolutely everyone but apparently isn't. That clip with Micah should make everyone uncomfortable. They wanted no part in having that discussion, they silenced him because they didn't want to get involved in a touchy subject even though they know that what he was saying was fair.
If Pogba wants to leave, I'm sure the club would have no problem accepting that, but the fact we've never actually heard Pogba say that, or have that affect his performance/work ethic, tells you that it's being handled internally and professionally. The exact opposite can be said about the Kane situation.
As a united fan you'd think Neville would be a little more defensive of Pogba, but his defence Kane is laughable. They've both gonna about it wrong way imo though.
Kane spitting his dummy is pathetic and Pogba dropping his bombshell before a must win cl game did us no favours whatsoever. Neville mentioned Rooney apologising, who's to say Pogba didn't do the same?
I think Gary's forming his opinion based in knowing Kane personally and probably doesn't know Pogba, why would he? I can't see him playing much golf, he'd get thrown off the course for dancing on the fairway.
The biggest twat in the argument with McKola was Carragher. Completely ignored the points being made and started getting defensive and shouting. I think he's just thick tbh.
What do you hope to achieve by posting absolute nonsense like this? You know that’s completely untrue, so are you just wumming, or are you trying to deflect away from a serious conversation as it reflects poorly on Neville?
Neville’s said a lot more that that about him. He tried to slyly blame France’s exit from the Euros on Pogba FFS. He doesn’t like him, it’s pretty clear.
Why did you delete the videos in your quote? Are you just wumming, or are you trying to deflect away from a serious conversation as it doesn't reflect poorly on Neville?
I feel disgusted by the way they treat them differently and try to ignore it.
He also called Pogba a disgrace for taking a penalty, he heavily criticised him for dying his hair blue. There’s countless examples of Neville showing his dislike for Pogba.
Do you have a link for this?
Because they take up unnecessary space on the page. Now, tell me why you’re so keen to defend blatant prejudice? Because all I’m taking from this is that people like you are a big part of the problem.
If it’s simply a numbers game, show me another lap of honour in recent history where a player has been singled out for that kind of abuse because we can all find multiple players crowds dislike. . .
Of all the hills to die on, pick one with better foundations.
You’re correct, the Kane & Pogba incidents are incomparable. . . From there your mental gymnastics leave you lying in a ditch.
Blatant prejudice? Step out of your echo chamber for a minute.
Quoting for prosperity.
@Dante is showing a prime example of how people subvert discussions.
Apparently it needs to be thousands to register as anything serious. . .
I think souness just wants to see midfielders kick people in the balls from time to time.
Here's Rooney getting booed in 2013 during the open top bus parade in the season when he asked to leave United.
It’s very blatant to the point where I think you’re the only person I’ve seen defending it. It’s been going on for years, and pretending it doesn’t happen helps no one.
And you’re still dancing around the original question. What do you hope to achieve by pretending that Neville loves Pogba? Because even you can’t believe that.
The funny thing is, you seem to think McTominay gets criticised due to his nationality, yet act like it’s inconceivable that the same happens to Pogba and other players. That for me is pretty telling.
On a scale of a crowd chanting ‘Harry Kane are you watching’ to select crowd members being held back as they attack a player with phrases such as ‘fecking Shite, feck off’ you’re placing a crowd in unison booing a player on the Pogba end of the scale.
You’re lost lad.
Game.Set.Match.
I thought both Richards and Neville were kind of talking shite. Richards for acting as if Pogba has been a passive innocent in Raiolas wankerish behaviour and Nevillle for trying to seemingly justify and excuse Kane’s.
Souness was just being Souness. A bitter cnut who doesn’t like Pogba.
Souness was just being Souness. A bitter cnut who doesn’t like Pogba.
That's a perfectly reasonable take on the game. Pogba was, by turns, brilliant but also error prone.Even Vieira agreed.
There are as many people booing Rooney as there were booing Pogba.
I never said that. What's more telling is that you're imputing your own prejudices to me because I disagree with you.
Neville is obviously a huge fan of Pogba's and has waxed lyrical about him dozens of time for every criticism. And even then, those criticisms have largely been warranted.
You’re surely taking the piss, this conversation is pointless.
He's posted quotes of Neville praising him, Whilst pointing out faults too.
Doing his job basically.
Pogba is one of the most frustrating players around, he was incredible on Saturday but next week could be dogshit and responsible for conceding 2 goals.
Which is pretty much how his United career has been really.
How do you explain all the times he's called Pogba world class and picked him as his favourite player at the club and defended him against criticism from other pundits and put him in his favoured starting XI for Manchester United?
You think Neville loves Pogba, or is even a fan of him?
I’ve seen Tommy Robinson praise a couple of individual Muslims, I guess he’s an advocate for Islam.
Don't be stupid.
Criticism of McTominay can be rooted in his ethnicity. Just as criticism of Pogba can be rooted in his ethnicity. I've never suggested otherwise.
EDIT: sorry for telling you to stop being stupid. I appreciate that may not be possible.
Behave.
So you think Neville loves Pogba like @Dante said?
Where did I say I did think that? I said he was praising him whilst also pointing out his faults, doing his job as a pundit.
Come back when you can be grown up about it.
This is ridiculous. It seems culture wars have arrived in the UK. McTominay would have been Loftus Cheek'd if not for preferential treatment because he's a local lad. The thing is, Chelsea don't tolerate mediocrity even if it's from their youth.
What about when Gary Neville spent half an hour laying into Pogba because ‘even though I know he is the penalty taker, I’m here thinking ‘this is typical selfish Pogba’ - after he missed a penalty against Wolves?
That was worse than any single Souness moment, was in no way balanced/objective ‘discussing both sides’ or anything of that nature. It was bang out of order.
So what on earth are you even arguing about, given that that was the premise of the whole conversation you responded to?
About grow up, read the conversation before responding next time, weird guy.