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Gay footballers | Czech Republic international Jakub Jankto comes out as gay
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What's your definition of a homophobe? Anyone who doesn't support it? Anyone who doesn't agree with it?
As much as I'm not surprised, this could be a result of people (fans and stewards) being more vigilant when it comes to racist abuse. Very possible that the same amount of abuse is happening, however people are actually reporting it instead of turning a blind eye.
The same, I suspect, would happen if a footballer came out as gay. It would draw attention to the problem, much what Sterling has done for anti-racism, and reports of abuse would be more frequent.
If I'm perfectly honest with myself, if I heard someone use a homophobic slur at a football match, I most likely wouldn't report it. Guess we all need to clamp down on it together.
Sparkalaphobia.
Genuine question, but are you around gay people frequently to notice this?
My sister is gay and her and her partner are regularly yelled at in public, and they've been physically assaulted on a few occasions, and recently. Her friends suffer similarly regularly too. And this is in London, considered to be a massively diverse city. Presumably homophobia will be even worse in smaller less diverse regions.
Sadly I think its a long time before people don't care about someone's sexual orientation.
To clarify, when you say "it" you are referring to homosexuality?
Because yes, that is pretty clearly homophobia.
Do you hang out in gay bars?
Your aggressive "I don't care if someone's gay, I don't want to hear about it at all" is essentially homophobic. Gay people are still prejudiced worldwide, even in developed countries that seem to pride themselves on being accepting because they put up a banner here or there. Gay people have every right to post publicly about their experiences or coming out or whatever. Your flat out dismissal and ignoring of your "friend" when he told you he was gay (probably a difficult thing to do) is fecking pathetic.
If you don't tolerate people discussing their homosexuality in public or around you then you are a homophobe! Ignoring the issue is just as bad.
r/nononoNO
I think you need to find better ways of articulating your point across. For instance, can you see why using kinky fetishes as a comparison to homosexuality is a bit, odd?
This tells me all I need to know about your views. You friend decides to share with you something that could have taken a lot of courage to tell you and you immediately assume he has told you because he likes attention and needs to feel like he is special. Then you wonder why, after having trusted you with this knowledge, and your response of acting as if you couldn't give a feck, your friend was shocked and upset.
I get what you are saying about the fact it shouldn't matter - but the reality is that it does. If you are gay and you choose to tell someone, then hopefully it is something that does not affect the relationship you both have. But that does not mean it may be a big thing for them to choose to confide in you. But you had already made your mind up abut why he chose to tell you - and it was one born of stereotypes and homophobic views.
You do give a feck though because you're actively talking about how you don't want to have to hear about it.
Also your "they happen to like attention and need to feel like they are special" comment in reference to somebody coming out is very telling.
"I have nothing against gay people, I just want them to remain quietly oppressed." is what you're basically saying.
You definitely have something against gay people.
And comparing someone's sexual orientation to taboo kinks is a clear indication that you are tragically misinformed.
Oh, for Christ's sake...
Ah feck off you pillock
What the actual feck?
This is a very strange remark to make if you have nothing against gay people. Why would them coming out remotely affect you in any way? A gay player coming out is not going to run up to you and kiss you. Is it the fact that he's gay and its important for him to be a rolemodel for young gay teens who struggle with their identity and are looking for rolemodels you have a problem with?
First off: The very notion that coming out to your friends, loved ones and even the community as a gay man should have any negative impact on the players reputation or personal life is absolutely disgusting, and anyone that thinks differently I welcome you to reflect on who you are, and stop being a bigot.
People do not choose their sexual orientation. Period. No one is "challenged" by a gay man to become gay. You love who you love, and if you have a problem with that, you're a small pitiful person.
Statistic shows that gay teenagers have 3 times a higher risk of sucide than their straight counterparts. Transgender teens 6 times higher. They have a higher risk of suicide due to the immense toll it takes on a young person who is not accepted for who he is or what he feels like. I absolutely hate people who can't think longer than their own nose who say crap like "Oh no dont tell anyone". Screw you guy, these kids needs someone to talk to. Someone who accepts them for who they are, unconditionally.
"tI is something I do not care and I do not need this info."
You do you, and let others decide what they need.
Do you have any idea how big an impact it would have to gay teenagers who play football for one of their heroes to come out and proclaim that he is just as them, he loves a man, and he is not afraid to say it? In communities where lockerroom behavior is so very often centered around "homos" and other shit that man say? I mean, I'm completely guilty of that, I've made thousands of gay jokes growing up because I didn't know better. One of my temmates from my youth came out as gay, at fkn 25 years old. He had to hide who he was for 25 years because people can not get over themselves and their own insecurities for dicks, to allow people to be who they are.
Someone made a comment in this thread along the lines of "It doesnt matter if someone comes out as gay, its not like there is a untapped community of gay kids playing football". Like dude, seriously? I guarantee you there are thousands of men playing football in Europe who are gay, and who simply have to hide it because people just have to be an absolute piece of shit when they can spit vitrol and be a jerk from a safe distance.
You know, personally if a well known footballer, hell if one of our players decided to announce that he was gay,it would be one of the best days in football. Not because he is gay, but because it sends a strong message to people who are hiding from their friends and maybe even family, their teammates or anyone else, that being this way is normal, its fine, and its nothing to be afraid of. Being different is difficult, and sometimes you just need someone to look up to.
Honestly in this day and age in a lot of the clubs in Western Europe, I genuinely don't think coming out as a gay man would be a problem with his teammates. It's the fans that are the problem. Not the majority of fans, but the very vocal minority who gets off on being cowards.
So yeah, no need to make it public? Son, there is always a need to make it public. You can however opt to just ignore the information, like a goddamn adult.
You’re entitled to your opinion with regards to athletes using public platforms to spread messages. But I’d ultimately counter it by arguing that sport has changed the world for the better in so many instances. Individuals have had to overcome so many barriers to reach the pinnacle of their professions and it’s understandable that those from minority backgrounds use that platform to encourage more of this success and (in some cases) freedom. Music and politics are equally, if not more, intertwined.
I imagine lots of gay footballers would rather be there just for the football, which is also fine. The role model expectation might not sit well with them, which is fine. But even if their family and friends are aware of their sexuality, many of them are still driven to live their lives in greater secrecy than they would otherwise do if straight.
Let's forget about the rest of this brain dead post and focus on just the first line. Being gay is not legal everywhere, in fact in some countries being gay carries a death sentence.
What a great thread to reveal certain people's homophobia, and to learn the various ways they justify it to themselves and others
This a hundred times ^
I take it you aren't up for promotion any time soon.
And what do you mean for obvious reasons? I don't get that bit at all. Do people walking around offend you?
I'm not sure you know what 'neutral' means.
Along with 'zero fecks'.
If you are unsure where you stand on the scale, then maybe consider your hatred of gay parades.
I don’t think anyone does give a shit, it’s not the 70s anymore.
Plus nobody these days should feel the need to “come out” it’s not some shameful secret just get one with your life no fecker cares.
So you are offended by footballers posted pics with their female partners? I mean that pretty openly states their sexual orientation. It's moronic stuff like this that leads people to say that if there is a gay pride parade, then there should also be a straight pride parade, when every fecking day in mainstream society is treated like straight pride day.
Everytime these threads pop up, I make the same damn mistake. Why in the world did I open this trainwreck of a thread? And is it just me or are they actually getting worse?
People do care. Gay people care, gay kids especially care. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean everybody thinks the same as you.
Interesting fact about racists, homophobs and the like us they always say they're definitely not racists or homophobs. @Zachari being the prime example. They're not homophobs, just don't want to be near gays and whatever they do they should keep it indoors.
I had one glimmer of hope in there, when you expressed how you think people should be cool about other people irrespective of their sexuality. I agree with you there, that's the world I'd like to live in.
But then you shed all signs of empathy and go on to say why gay people should also pretend to be cool about their own sexuality in today's world, and then the post turns into a car crash of judgement, stereotype, misinformed opinions and by the end, homophobia.
You think gay people in general can be characterised by this one interaction of yours? You went from 'certain guy' to 'they happen to', I wonder how you made the jump. Next, how did you conclude 'they' like attention or 'need to feel special'? If 'they' did, don't you think there'd be more footballers who'd be openly gay right now? And lastly, 'they expect some reaction'? You think people 'choose' their sexuality to expect reaction?
Take a moment to think about this. No, please do. I would be pleased if you could realise what a monumental dump of shit that sentence is in this context and why. Hint: Think about the history of a similar form of oppression. Like racism, for instance. Perhaps the following link will help you.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/homo...lar-methodologies-of-dehumanization_b_3459204
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Except that is so clearly not the case, sadly. Just google: 'gay pride protestors' and you will see.
The old "I don't care what you do but I am going to tell you how to act"
I agree. I do think @SiRed does reserve some credit for putting his hands up and accepting the criticism against his earlier posts. If we are to progress, then we need to encourage people to open their minds, not double down.
Edit: I did make the assumption that said poster was male; apologies if not true.
Dare I say it, but what are the obvious reasons?
Thats why I didn't mentioned him, he admitted of being wrong and kudos to him.
There's a difference between the two to be fair. One came from a place of ignorance and was willing to understand why that was, to their credit. The other seems a bit more malicious based on their posts.
See, this is exactly the problem, people blowing it up into a big deal, and trying to make people like me, someone who accepts everyone for what they without discrimination, made out to be the bad guy.
Being gay is perfectly normal, it’s not something to ashamed of or something anyone should have to hide, it indeed even feel the need to publicly announce.
Do people not watch movies or TV programs or listen to music it all?
Some of the most famous and hero worshiped artists in the history of mankind are/were gay and the world loves them just the same.
India and China for example then are countries of homophobes?
Do you support Islam?
Do you support Christianity?
Do you support increasing refugees intake?
Do you support Israel in their conflict with Palestine?
I stopped playing football at 16 because I thought it wasn't a place for gay men. On the pitch, in the dressing room, everywhere. Maybe if there was someone I could have looked up to that made it as an out gay man playing football I wouldn't have been as disheartened as I was about the situation.
Thanks for telling me my own experience doesn't count.
Oh look, we’ve found another feckwit.