One of the worst posts I've seen on the caf.
Gay footballers | Czech Republic international Jakub Jankto comes out as gay
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Tbh unless you are a homosexual person who hasn't come out yet, then you have no right to tell people how they should feel or act.
It is a big deal, I know people who have been kicked out of their family home and shunned by their family for coming out as gay. They've also lost friends and work mates don't want to socialise with them anymore etc.
It is a massive issue in contemporary society and if you can't see that, then maybe you're stuck in the 70s.
It is a big deal. It is because it might cost you your job, it might cost you your relationship with your family and it might cost you your friends. I'll never regret coming out as bisexual, but it wasn't easy and some of my worst concerns were true. I've actually lost two of my best friends in the process and I've actually suffered from some abuse. And I live in a very liberal and progressive city. I was actually lucky, compared with so many others.
Being gay is a big deal for many people, though. Many of them are ashamed of their sexuality. Many of them are frightened that there will be negative repercussions.
You don’t discriminate and that’s great. But gay people still need to tell their family and friends that they are attracted to the same sex and that happens through ‘coming out’. They’re still in the minority at the end of the day.
With famous people in the public eye it’s even more difficult because if they were to walk about with a same-sex partner then rumours will occur and said person won’t be in control of the situation. By telling people, they can take some ownership of the news surrounding them, as well as live life in less secrecy. With pride, perhaps.
Looks like zach’s been banned, fair fecks!
I agree with this. It also affects kids, for example the explosion in kids identifying as some other gender identity these last couple of years.
It's also a bit weird and distasteful that people under the age of 18 can be allowed to transition to another gender, when they are not mature enough to buy alcohol or drive a car.
You're an idiot. Bye.
It would take a massive amount of courage for a current player to come out at the moment - that in itself suggests that there still remains a serious problem of homophobia in sport and in wider society - a lot of good work has been done to fight racism and the same effort should be put into fighting homophobia in the game.
I can’t see many players coming out as gay to be honest. The vast majority of fans would be welcoming I’d like to think but let’s face it, there’s still plenty of moronic fans in football and I can’t see that changing any time soon.
Does anyone know if any female players have come out as gay?
Does anyone know if any female players have come out as gay?
Would it have changed anything really?
"When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff." -Cicero
Yes it would have.
Quite a few have. Most famously Megan Rapinoe.
I’ve made a range of points throughout this thread. Feel free to read them and learn something.
Or continue to derail an argument surrounding blatant homophobia with off-topic ramblings about Israel, China and Palestine.
Any country with laws that treat people differently due to their sexuality is a backwards and homophobic state, yes, obviously, not that I'm familiar with the specific laws of the countries you mentioned, and I don't support any religion at all, not that it matters to what we're talking about.
What does this have to do with the definition of homophobia? Could it perhaps be because you don't like the label in spite of clearly holding the views?
I think it’s better to air it out personally.
He is wrong and it should be challenged on those views.
Boggles my mind how people can have a "I don't care, so no one else will care" kind of attitude.
You're casting doubt on @Nick7's lived experiences based on what exactly?
Bye bye 'gay offender'.
"I don't care" in discussions like this can often be translated to "I don't want to have to hear about this".
Quite a few have, at the recent world cup there were 41 openly gay/bisexual players and coaches. Casey Stoney, United's manager is openly gay as well and was back when she was England captain.
Jesus, they're multiplying.
The biggest problem on this subject is religion influence on societies. Most of religions are usually against homosexuality, pre-marital sex, idleness, etc (and yet it give us tales where underage sex, murder and rape are acceptable).
Even if most people don't even care about religion, those same people are deeply influenced by it's values who are installed in the root of societies, pretty much like a base template that is used in every new project.
That's why things like homophobia, and "victim shaming/blaming" in rape cases are pretty much common even in today's society. The main difference from the 70's / 80's is that we finally started to condemn these stupid behaviors, but we still have a long path to go.
Even if most people don't even care about religion, those same people are deeply influenced by it's values who are installed in the root of societies, pretty much like a base template that is used in every new project.
That's why things like homophobia, and "victim shaming/blaming" in rape cases are pretty much common even in today's society. The main difference from the 70's / 80's is that we finally started to condemn these stupid behaviors, but we still have a long path to go.
Yet your posts suggest otherwise.
You seem to accept gay people as long as they keep it secret. Why should they? The idea that people and their sexuality are accepted if they keep It secret is an utterly ludicrous idea. Why would secrecy be required if acceptance was a given?
Wow isn’t she one of the biggest names in the sport? I have no idea what it’s like to come out for either men or women so I’m not equipped to start making assumptions. The only assumption I can think of is that the people who’d abuse someone for coming out in men’s football are also the same people who think women shouldn’t be playing football so don’t pay attention to it. I also suppose women in general have had to fight to get the game to where it is now so there’s more of a togetherness. Whatever it is, hopefully the men’s game can follow suit in coming years.
Keep reading mate, to his credit that particular poster has accepted he was wrong.
Ah, but you see prior to my reply to you I had made two posts in this thread. Both only with questions to another member, no viewpoint or opinion of my own was given. It was your choice to chime in without the previous context. I wished to understand another's views but thats considered being a "feckwit" according to you.
You only have to read this thread to understand why there is a need for football players to come out. So much homophobic nonsense. And it won't go away/improve unless there are football players brave enough to show they are just like everyone else and it's not something to be ashamed of. The first few who come out will be swimming in sponsors/endorsements for sure, if they are not completely terrible that is.
Or maybe he just does not want to get banned from here?
Yeah, I‘d assume it’s something along those lines. The fans and the whole environment seems much different. But I’m not really an expert here, so I won’t speculate further.
What utter bollocks.
My son has a transgender cousin, hetosexual mates with gay parents and friends with a variety of sexualities. Funnily enough this has had zero effect on his own sexuality as it isn't a fashion statement. It has however made him an accepting, non-judgemental human with exceptional emotional empathy and intelligence.
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Or maybe he just learned something.
Hands up, I'm not gay and have no gay relatives. I do havea couple of friends who came out as gay in the 1990's and they did take one hell of a lot of shit. Gay slurs were rampant back in those days, so I have extrapolated from that and the fact Ive never seen anybody get abused in the street as "its ok to be gay" these days.
Given you two seem to have a more personal experience of it, I'll defer to your wisdom on the subject.
But it really isn't. Being gay (or queer in any other way) is still viewed by many as not normal, to varying degrees. Some people are outright hostile towards LGBTQ people, whereas many more people just quietly think being straight is the normal way and anything else is abnormal or wrong in some way. These attitudes are especially prevalent in sports. Growing up I played ice hockey, floorball and football. I still play floorball and football recreationally. Gay jokes and bad attitudes towards gay players are still, in 2019, the norm in these circles.
The only way these attitudes have any chance of changing if people have the courage to come out and say "I am a gay footballer" or "I am a gay hockey player", and to force people to confront the fact that there is nothing weird, wrong or abnormal about being gay or queer. To give a face to the issue, to make bigoted people realize that this guy I've admired and looked up to, or with whom I've played for years and am good friends with, is what I think is bad or wrong, and to hopefully examine their attitudes. It also makes it easier for more people to come out in the open and be who they are, as they are. It must be horrible having to hide your identity and listen to people treat something central to your being as a joke, as a putdown and as an insult.
The other way for these attitudes to change is that when someone does say something stupid, ignorant or bigoted, those who don't share their attitudes need to speak up and say it's not cool. To support those who do have the courage to come out and be as they are, and make it known that the world in general does not agree with gay bashers or their attitudes.
To paraphrase John Stuart Mill, "the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing".
It's very sad that this is an issue. Being gay should not matter in football. The abilty to play should be the only thing that matters. As for some of the comments in this thread. Have a look at yourself
Counter productive assumption.
Do you think it's possible to disagree with the way someone lives without treating them differently? My questions may have seemed irrelevant but I asked them to make my point in a roundabout way. Seeing as you don't support Islam at all, would it be correct for people to call label you as an Islamophobe? You don't support Christianity at all, you are a Christophobe then? People who don't want more refugees in their countries, they are Xenophobes?
It's the same in tennis though. I can't name a single active male player that's gay, but several female players.
I'm from the same town as Gareth and have known he was gay for years before he went public. Pretty much the whole town did. I used to be loosely connected to the rugby club and as far as I am aware nobody ever mentioned they knew to him. But there was a lot of gossip and nudge nudge jokes amongst people in the pubs. For what it is worth I've not heard that kind of talk for a very long time now. It was the speculation that kept people talking about it. Now the fact that he is gay gets talked about an infinite amount less and when it does it is factual and without judgment so I think he has set an example in doing this and hopefully he is much happier having done so.
Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you just dumb?
Organised religion and sexuality are not the same thing.
Slurs aren't the only forms of homophobia that exist, though they are the most obvious I'll give you that. There's a lot of more subtle homophobia that's still exists that wouldn't really be noticed unless you're on the other side of it.