Inigo Montoya
Leave Wayne Rooney alone!!
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That's why I laughedto be clear, I'm obviously taking the piss out of that lunatic above!
That's why I laughedto be clear, I'm obviously taking the piss out of that lunatic above!
What's your definition of a homophobe? Anyone who doesn't support it? Anyone who doesn't agree with it?The obvious reasons being you're a massive homophobe.
As much as I'm not surprised, this could be a result of people (fans and stewards) being more vigilant when it comes to racist abuse. Very possible that the same amount of abuse is happening, however people are actually reporting it instead of turning a blind eye.Funnily enough, BBC just posted this article.
And I honestly think thered be even more incidents of homophobia.
Sparkalaphobia.Iridophobia
Genuine question, but are you around gay people frequently to notice this?I dont think it is. I genuinely dont see much homophobia in the streets these days, the internet is another thing entirely, but its not 1993 anymore. The only way to make this change is for it to be more public, i can accept that the first person who comes out is going to act as a lightening rod and will take the brunt of the shit, but its going to have to happen at some point.
Statistically 2.1% of people are gay in the UK, which means pretty much every football club is probably going to have a gay player somewhere in their squads if you're including youth teams.
To clarify, when you say "it" you are referring to homosexuality?What's your definition of a homophobe? Anyone who doesn't support it? Anyone who doesn't agree with it?
Do you hang out in gay bars?Giving zero fecks about someones sexuality does not make me homophobe, nor abuser. If you do not get this, you have a serious problem.
The gay guy I mention is still someone I like hanging out with.
The problem is the abusers, not neutrals like me, fight them, not me.
Instead, you choose to abuse me. Because that is what you are doing right now. The hypocrisy at its very best. Go on...
Your aggressive "I don't care if someone's gay, I don't want to hear about it at all" is essentially homophobic. Gay people are still prejudiced worldwide, even in developed countries that seem to pride themselves on being accepting because they put up a banner here or there. Gay people have every right to post publicly about their experiences or coming out or whatever. Your flat out dismissal and ignoring of your "friend" when he told you he was gay (probably a difficult thing to do) is fecking pathetic.Giving zero fecks about someones sexuality does not make me homophobe, nor abuser. If you do not get this, you have a serious problem.
The gay guy I mention is still someone I like hanging out with.
The problem is the abusers, not neutrals like me, fight them, not me.
Instead, you choose to abuse me. Because that is what you are doing right now. The hypocrisy at its very best. Go on...
r/nononoNO"I hate gay parades though for obvious reasons." has to be the standout line for me. Obvious reasons, like, it's obvious to everyone why you should hate gay parades innit?
I think you need to find better ways of articulating your point across. For instance, can you see why using kinky fetishes as a comparison to homosexuality is a bit, odd?Giving zero fecks about someones sexuality does not make me homophobe, nor abuser. If you do not get this, you have a serious problem.
The gay guy I mention is still someone I like hanging out with.
The problem is the abusers, not neutrals like me, fight them, not me.
Instead, you choose to abuse me. Because that is what you are doing right now. The hypocrisy at its very best. Go on...
Giving zero fecks about someones sexuality does not make me homophobe, nor abuser. If you do not get this, you have a serious problem.
The gay guy I mention is still someone I like hanging out with.
The problem is the abusers, not neutrals like me, fight them, not me.
Instead, you choose to abuse me. Because that is what you are doing right now. The hypocrisy at its very best. Go on...
This tells me all I need to know about your views. You friend decides to share with you something that could have taken a lot of courage to tell you and you immediately assume he has told you because he likes attention and needs to feel like he is special. Then you wonder why, after having trusted you with this knowledge, and your response of acting as if you couldn't give a feck, your friend was shocked and upset.In fact a certain gay guy might have felt abused by the lack of reaction when he told me and being indifferent to his sexuality as they happen to like attention and need to fell like they are special and etc and expect some reaction. I just shrugged shoulders an said: "yeah, whatever" and continued speaking on the topic we were speaking before. The guy said: "man I just told you I am gay" like if it was something super important.
You really should stop posting.In 21 century no one should be afraid to do legal things, as being gay is legal. I don't see why is the need to make a public statement. You can post instagram pics with your boyfriend and etc. so people will know. Hiding it is stupid. Going out and having a public speech about your sexuality is stupid as well. No one should care. If someone abuses you, well, take measures. Abusers are at wrong here. They should be prosecuted. I for one have never abused gay people, I really don't care and it would not change my opinion on someone whether he is gay or not. In fact a certain gay guy might have felt abused by the lack of reaction when he told me and being indifferent to his sexuality as they happen to like attention and need to fell like they are special and etc and expect some reaction. I just shrugged shoulders an said: "yeah, whatever" and continued speaking on the topic we were speaking before. The guy said: "man I just told you I am gay" like if it was something super important.
If that is offensive, then I am gay offender. I hate gay parades though for obvious reasons.
I'm not a homophobe, this one time I met a gay guy in the shop and said sorry when I accidentally bumped into him in the aisle. Sure at the time I didn't know he was "a gay" but like, we touched so even though I don't like gay people I'm definitely not a homophobe.
You do give a feck though because you're actively talking about how you don't want to have to hear about it.Giving zero fecks about someones sexuality does not make me homophobe, nor abuser. If you do not get this, you have a serious problem.
The gay guy I mention is still someone I like hanging out with.
The problem is the abusers, not neutrals like me, fight them, not me.
Instead, you choose to abuse me. Because that is what you are doing right now. The hypocrisy at its very best. Go on...
"I have nothing against gay people, I just want them to remain quietly oppressed." is what you're basically saying.I just came to say that I support you SIred. As I have nothing against gay people I have a lot against publicly stating your sexual orientation.
The same way I would be against a footballer going out and stating proudly he is into pissing play in sex or something even kinkier. tI is something I do not care and I do not need this info. Just feck whomever you wish and how you both(or more) like it. No need to make it public ffs.
Oh, for Christ's sake...they happen to like attention and need to fell like they are special
Ah feck off you pillockIn 21 century no one should be afraid to do legal things, as being gay is legal. I don't see why is the need to make a public statement. You can post instagram pics with your boyfriend and etc. so people will know. Hiding it is stupid. Going out and having a public speech about your sexuality is stupid as well. No one should care. If someone abuses you, well, take measures. Abusers are at wrong here. They should be prosecuted. I for one have never abused gay people, I really don't care and it would not change my opinion on someone whether he is gay or not. In fact a certain gay guy might have felt abused by the lack of reaction when he told me and being indifferent to his sexuality as they happen to like attention and need to fell like they are special and etc and expect some reaction. I just shrugged shoulders an said: "yeah, whatever" and continued speaking on the topic we were speaking before. The guy said: "man I just told you I am gay" like if it was something super important.
If that is offensive, then I am gay offender. I hate gay parades though for obvious reasons.
What the actual feck?My point is it will be celebrated beyond all comprehension. I probably should have worded it better.
Take Xfactor for example - an average male singer goes to his audition dressed as a barbie doll in high heels and the narrative given to us public is that he is amazing and so on and the props he receives far outweigh his talent. If he had sung to the same standard dressed normally then he probably wouldn't get any plaudits at all.
Kids at home see this and it influences their future. they feel they can get by with minimal talent by being ''different''
This is a very strange remark to make if you have nothing against gay people. Why would them coming out remotely affect you in any way? A gay player coming out is not going to run up to you and kiss you. Is it the fact that he's gay and its important for him to be a rolemodel for young gay teens who struggle with their identity and are looking for rolemodels you have a problem with?I just came to say that I support you SIred. As I have nothing against gay people I have a lot against publicly stating your sexual orientation.
The same way I would be against a footballer going out and stating proudly he is into pissing play in sex or something even kinkier. tI is something I do not care and I do not need this info. Just feck whomever you wish and how you both(or more) like it. No need to make it public ffs.
You’re entitled to your opinion with regards to athletes using public platforms to spread messages. But I’d ultimately counter it by arguing that sport has changed the world for the better in so many instances. Individuals have had to overcome so many barriers to reach the pinnacle of their professions and it’s understandable that those from minority backgrounds use that platform to encourage more of this success and (in some cases) freedom. Music and politics are equally, if not more, intertwined.Both true.
It's a hard one, and a very personal question.
I generally dislike entertainment being used as a platform for political/social issues.
Eg. Rapinoe publically announcing her decision to not accept Trumps invite to Washington.
I'd decline the invite to, but theres no need to make it public.
Neither would i feel obliged to champion social injustices to my ethnic minority background.
I'd just be there for the football, and too look after me and my own. I imagine that there is countless gay footballers who feel the same. There team mates know, there families know, there clubs supoort them. They are perfectly fine without wanting the burden of championing this cause.
In 21 century no one should be afraid to do legal things, as being gay is legal. I don't see why is the need to make a public statement. You can post instagram pics with your boyfriend and etc. so people will know. Hiding it is stupid. Going out and having a public speech about your sexuality is stupid as well. No one should care. If someone abuses you, well, take measures. Abusers are at wrong here. They should be prosecuted. I for one have never abused gay people, I really don't care and it would not change my opinion on someone whether he is gay or not. In fact a certain gay guy might have felt abused by the lack of reaction when he told me about it and I was indifferent to his sexuality. They happen to like attention and need to feеl like they are special and etc and expect some reaction. I just shrugged shoulders an said: "yeah, whatever" and continued speaking on the topic we were speaking before. The guy said: "man I just told you I am gay" like if it was something super important.
If that is offensive, then I am gay offender. I hate gay parades though for obvious reasons.
Let's forget about the rest of this brain dead post and focus on just the first line. Being gay is not legal everywhere, in fact in some countries being gay carries a death sentence.In 21 century no one should be afraid to do legal things, as being gay is legal. I don't see why is the need to make a public statement. You can post instagram pics with your boyfriend and etc. so people will know. Hiding it is stupid. Going out and having a public speech about your sexuality is stupid as well. No one should care. If someone abuses you, well, take measures. Abusers are at wrong here. They should be prosecuted. I for one have never abused gay people, I really don't care and it would not change my opinion on someone whether he is gay or not. In fact a certain gay guy might have felt abused by the lack of reaction when he told me about it and I was indifferent to his sexuality. They happen to like attention and need to feеl like they are special and etc and expect some reaction. I just shrugged shoulders an said: "yeah, whatever" and continued speaking on the topic we were speaking before. The guy said: "man I just told you I am gay" like if it was something super important.
If that is offensive, then I am gay offender. I hate gay parades though for obvious reasons.
This a hundred times ^You know, personally if a well known footballer, hell if one of our players decided to announce that he was gay,it would be one of the best days in football. Not because he is gay, but because it sends a strong message to people who are hiding from their friends and maybe even family, their teammates or anyone else, that being this way is normal, its fine, and its nothing to be afraid of. Being different is difficult, and sometimes you just need someone to look up to.
I take it you aren't up for promotion any time soon.In 21 century no one should be afraid to do legal things, as being gay is legal. I don't see why is the need to make a public statement. You can post instagram pics with your boyfriend and etc. so people will know. Hiding it is stupid. Going out and having a public speech about your sexuality is stupid as well. No one should care. If someone abuses you, well, take measures. Abusers are at wrong here. They should be prosecuted. I for one have never abused gay people, I really don't care and it would not change my opinion on someone whether he is gay or not. In fact a certain gay guy might have felt abused by the lack of reaction when he told me about it and I was indifferent to his sexuality. They happen to like attention and need to feеl like they are special and etc and expect some reaction. I just shrugged shoulders an said: "yeah, whatever" and continued speaking on the topic we were speaking before. The guy said: "man I just told you I am gay" like if it was something super important.
If that is offensive, then I am gay offender. I hate gay parades though for obvious reasons.
I'm not sure you know what 'neutral' means.Giving zero fecks about someones sexuality does not make me homophobe, nor abuser. If you do not get this, you have a serious problem.
The gay guy I mention is still someone I like hanging out with.
The problem is the abusers, not neutrals like me, fight them, not me.
Instead, you choose to abuse me. Because that is what you are doing right now. The hypocrisy at its very best. Go on...
I don’t think anyone does give a shit, it’s not the 70s anymore.It's pretty sad that a man being gay should be newsworthy in any kind of way. I can appreciate why he's decided against it though, but it'll only take one or two and the floodgates will open. Before long I dont think anybody will really give a shit.
So you are offended by footballers posted pics with their female partners? I mean that pretty openly states their sexual orientation. It's moronic stuff like this that leads people to say that if there is a gay pride parade, then there should also be a straight pride parade, when every fecking day in mainstream society is treated like straight pride day.I just came to say that I support you SIred. As I have nothing against gay people I have a lot against publicly stating your sexual orientation.
The same way I would be against a footballer going out and stating proudly he is into pissing play in sex or something even kinkier. tI is something I do not care and I do not need this info. Just feck whomever you wish and how you both(or more) like it. No need to make it public ffs.
People do care. Gay people care, gay kids especially care. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean everybody thinks the same as you.I don’t think anyone does give a shit, it’s not the 70s anymore.
Plus nobody these days should feel the need to “come out” it’s not some shameful secret just get one with your life no fecker cares.
I had one glimmer of hope in there, when you expressed how you think people should be cool about other people irrespective of their sexuality. I agree with you there, that's the world I'd like to live in.In 21 century no one should be afraid to do legal things, as being gay is legal. I don't see why is the need to make a public statement. You can post instagram pics with your boyfriend and etc. so people will know. Hiding it is stupid. Going out and having a public speech about your sexuality is stupid as well. No one should care. If someone abuses you, well, take measures. Abusers are at wrong here. They should be prosecuted. I for one have never abused gay people, I really don't care and it would not change my opinion on someone whether he is gay or not. In fact a certain gay guy might have felt abused by the lack of reaction when he told me and being indifferent to his sexuality as they happen to like attention and need to fell like they are special and etc and expect some reaction. I just shrugged shoulders an said: "yeah, whatever" and continued speaking on the topic we were speaking before. The guy said: "man I just told you I am gay" like if it was something super important.
If that is offensive, then I am gay offender. I hate gay parades though for obvious reasons.
You think gay people in general can be characterised by this one interaction of yours? You went from 'certain guy' to 'they happen to', I wonder how you made the jump. Next, how did you conclude 'they' like attention or 'need to feel special'? If 'they' did, don't you think there'd be more footballers who'd be openly gay right now? And lastly, 'they expect some reaction'? You think people 'choose' their sexuality to expect reaction?In fact a certain gay guy might have felt abused by the lack of reaction when he told me and being indifferent to his sexuality as they happen to like attention and need to fell like they are special and etc and expect some reaction
Take a moment to think about this. No, please do. I would be pleased if you could realise what a monumental dump of shit that sentence is in this context and why. Hint: Think about the history of a similar form of oppression. Like racism, for instance. Perhaps the following link will help you.If someone abuses you, take measures
Except that is so clearly not the case, sadly. Just google: 'gay pride protestors' and you will see.I don’t think anyone does give a shit, it’s not the 70s anymore.
Plus nobody these days should feel the need to “come out” it’s not some shameful secret just get one with your life no fecker cares.
The old "I don't care what you do but I am going to tell you how to act"I don’t think anyone does give a shit, it’s not the 70s anymore.
Plus nobody these days should feel the need to “come out” it’s not some shameful secret just get one with your life no fecker cares.
I agree. I do think @SiRed does reserve some credit for putting his hands up and accepting the criticism against his earlier posts. If we are to progress, then we need to encourage people to open their minds, not double down.Interesting fact about racists, homophobs and the like us they always say they're definitely not racists or homophobs. @Zachari being the prime example. They're not homophobs, just don't want to be near gays and whatever they do they should keep it indoors.
Dare I say it, but what are the obvious reasons?In 21 century no one should be afraid to do legal things, as being gay is legal. I don't see why is the need to make a public statement. You can post instagram pics with your boyfriend and etc. so people will know. Hiding it is stupid. Going out and having a public speech about your sexuality is stupid as well. No one should care. If someone abuses you, well, take measures. Abusers are at wrong here. They should be prosecuted. I for one have never abused gay people, I really don't care and it would not change my opinion on someone whether he is gay or not. In fact a certain gay guy might have felt abused by the lack of reaction when he told me about it and I was indifferent to his sexuality. They happen to like attention and need to feеl like they are special and etc and expect some reaction. I just shrugged shoulders an said: "yeah, whatever" and continued speaking on the topic we were speaking before. The guy said: "man I just told you I am gay" like if it was something super important.
If that is offensive, then I am gay offender. I hate gay parades though for obvious reasons.
Thats why I didn't mentioned him, he admitted of being wrong and kudos to him.I agree. I do think @SiRed does reserve some credit for putting his hands up and accepting the criticism against his earlier posts. If we are to progress, then we need to encourage people to open their minds, not double down.
There's a difference between the two to be fair. One came from a place of ignorance and was willing to understand why that was, to their credit. The other seems a bit more malicious based on their posts.I agree. I do think @SiRed does reserve some credit for putting his hands up and accepting the criticism against his earlier posts. If we are to progress, then we need to encourage people to open their minds, not double down.
Edit: I did make the assumption that said poster was male; apologies if not true.
See, this is exactly the problem, people blowing it up into a big deal, and trying to make people like me, someone who accepts everyone for what they without discrimination, made out to be the bad guy.People do care. Gay people care, gay kids especially care. Just because you don't care, doesn't mean everybody thinks the same as you.
India and China for example then are countries of homophobes?To clarify, when you say "it" you are referring to homosexuality?
Because yes, that is pretty clearly homophobia.
I stopped playing football at 16 because I thought it wasn't a place for gay men. On the pitch, in the dressing room, everywhere. Maybe if there was someone I could have looked up to that made it as an out gay man playing football I wouldn't have been as disheartened as I was about the situation.See, this is exactly the problem, people blowing it up into a big deal, and trying to make people like me, someone who accepts everyone for what they with discrimination, made out to be the bad guy.
Being gay is perfectly normal, it’s not something to ashamed of or something anyone should have to hide, it indeed even feel the need to publicly announce.
Do people not watch movies or TV programs or listen to music it all?
Some of the most famous and hero worshiped artists in the history of mankind are/were gay and the world loves them just the same.
Oh look, we’ve found another feckwit.India and China for example then are countries of homophobes?
Do you support Islam?
Do you support Christianity?
Do you support increasing refugees intake?
Do you support Israel in their conflict with Palestine?