German football is turd

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Spanish clubs are mostly always in and around the final.
But which Spanish clubs to be exact?

Real Madrid, sure. Most successful club in the world for a reason.

But then?

Barca from 2006-2015 were incredible, but they haven't done anything since then.

Atletico from 2014-2018, ok. Since then they haven't done anything.

Sevilla are the Europa League kings, yes, but always get hammered in the CL.

Overall La Liga was the pinnacle of club football from around 2008-2018, but since then they have dropped off considerably. That's been over 5 years now already.
 

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Overall La Liga was the pinnacle of club football from around 2008-2018, but since then they have dropped off considerably. That's been over 5 years now already.
Which is not at all surprising when you see the money involved in the PL compared to any other league. Aside from Real, Barcelona, Bayern and PSG, the PL clubs should absolutely be the leaders in latter stage CL football and European football overall tbh.
 

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Yup, because a knockout tournament is definitely the best metric to gauge this...
Man Utd and Newcastle didnt even make it to knockouts. Bottom of their groups.
Combined, both teams could be richer than the entire Bundesliga
 

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Which is not at all surprising when you see the money involved in the PL compared to any other league. Aside from Real, Barcelona, Bayern and PSG, the PL clubs should absolutely be the leaders in latter stage CL football and European football overall tbh.
That's true.

I might be an old fecker, but I for one really miss the 90s/early 00s in terms of football parity.

You had a lot of interesting domestic leagues and a huge pool of teams that contended for the CL.

Nowadays it's really just the PL due to their sugar daddy money (not trying to be disrespectful, just telling how it is) and a handful of old giants (+ PSG) that manage to hang in there for now.

In order to do so they all had to kill their domestic leagues though. Bayern in Germany, Real/Barca in Spain, PSG in France.

You just have to take a look at the CL contenders: For over a decade now it has always been Real, Bayern and City.

A few years back you had Barca, too, and recently you could add Liverpool and PSG and then occasionally some outsiders on a good run that season (Atletico, Dortmund, Tottenham, Chelsea, Inter, Juve).

All in all it's just the same core of 5-6 teams each season though and it has been like that for 10+ years now.

For an international competition that lack of fresh air/change is just nonsense.
 

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Aberdeen just beat the team that shat on Bayern. Long live the SPL.
 

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Yup, because a knockout tournament is definitely the best metric to gauge this...
That knockout competition (also group stages isn't exactly knockouts) is usually the competition referenced to determine how strong a league is. I'm afraid EPL may have just begun another 2012-2018 decline period. A team like Brighton or Villa might have a chance winning the title (equivalent of Leicester 15-16).

In all serious I think City or even Arsenal could win this season's CL.
 

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Weghorst, Sancho, Dier, Trippier. They're picking up one unwanted dud after another from the PL.
 

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Weghorst, Sancho, Dier, Trippier. They're picking up one unwanted dud after another from the PL.
You guys have a weird obsession with the German league, bumping this thread every few months.

It’s been discussed a million times.

For every Kagawa or Sancho there is a Kroos, Gündogan, Haaland or Bellingham.

Stop obsessing over it.
 

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You guys have a weird obsession with the German league, bumping this thread every few months.

It’s been discussed a million times.

For every Kagawa or Sancho there is a Kroos, Gündogan, Haaland or Bellingham.

Stop obsessing over it.
:lol: What are you on about? Ranting about something completely unrelated to my post.
 

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Bump

2 semi finalists. Comfortably beat the most in form Arsenal
 

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Great week for the Bundesliga Defence League. They're looking good for that fifth CL spot now.
 

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Great week for the Bundesliga Defence League. They're looking good for that fifth CL spot now.
Read today that there is even a chance that they might get six champions league participants, in the (very unlikely) scenario that Dortmund wins the CL and the BL maintains the second spot in the ranking.

Why don't you guys understand the jinx :)
In that case: very well done! City is one of the few cases where I'll actually cheer for Madrid.
 

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Read today that there is even a chance that they might get six champions league participants, in the (very unlikely) scenario that Dortmund wins the CL and the BL maintains the second spot in the ranking.
That would also require them to finish outside the top 4 in the league (which is possible as they are 5th at the moment).
 

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You can imagine the wanking off that would have been taking place in here if bayern and dortmund were knocked out. The dislike that a certain segment of our fanbase have for german football is really weird.
 

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I think it is mainly social media that makes every league bar PL and Primera division a farmers league these days. Football became more and more professional last 20 years and more and more (unfair) advantage in money gaps (sheiks, quatar, CL money, even world wide tv rights) that make like 90% of footballing countries only producing outsider chance clubs in europe. No red star Belgrade winning a big trophy in a foreseeable future etc

And yes, Premiere league is often more exciting to follow than Bundesliga. This year was a bit different for me, as the Bundesliga was pretty entertaining with Lerverkusen and Stuttgart emerging and Bayern not so dominant, and that is with me as a Bayern fan even - whole football scene bored me (with exceptions) last 10 years - reason: see second sentence in this post.
 

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Best team in Germany needing help from the ref and a late goal to draw 9th placed PL team.
 

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Oh look the Germans are starting to give it large. Lest they forget the best player in their country is a red white and blue English man.

It's funny that the standard has been raised since Sir Harold stepped onto German shores. He should be given the Nobel peace prize for transforming Germany from a hunter-gatherer society to a modern nation.
 

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Oh look the Germans are starting to give it large. Lest they forget the best player in their country is a red white and blue English man.

It's funny that the standard has been raised since Sir Harold stepped onto German shores. He should be given the Nobel peace prize for transforming Germany from a hunter-gatherer society to a modern nation.
The cultural influence of Harry Kane rather consists of making half the German population believe in voodoo curses :D I wonder if the poor man crossed Pogba's brother in the past

One way or the other, Kane's definitely part of the holy trinity that saved German football, alongside Xabi Alonso and, obviously, Sebastian Kehl :)
 
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Oh look the Germans are starting to give it large. Lest they forget the best player in their country is a red white and blue English man.

It's funny that the standard has been raised since Sir Harold stepped onto German shores. He should be given the Nobel peace prize for transforming Germany from a hunter-gatherer society to a modern nation.
Feels wrong to give him a peace prize for sparking the next round of this particular forum war ;) :lol:
 

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Oh look the Germans are starting to give it large. Lest they forget the best player in their country is a red white and blue English man.

It's funny that the standard has been raised since Sir Harold stepped onto German shores. He should be given the Nobel peace prize for transforming Germany from a hunter-gatherer society to a modern nation.
Now if he could at least speak a human-adjacent tongue we might be able to ask him how he did it!