Hell, if we’d gone through as many as Bayern or Real in that time we’d likely be better off.
... or at the very least don't sack managers prematurely.
Mourinho won us two titles and many new glory hunters.Wait, are the glory hunters still around?
Surely they already left to support other teams already by now.
Hiring managers has been our problem, not firing them. Moyes had less than a season. LVG and Jose were probably sacked around the right time and Ole doesnt deserve to be sacked yet.
Liverpool did a United:
If I use myself as an example, I had no idea that United were successful. I was a kid(6 or 7 years old) and was mesmerized by Giggs and Cole. It's only years later that I realized that trophy/glory were significant but initially my interest was totally focused on the field and the aesthetic of certain players, I didn't care about the league table or the trophy cabinet.
Dad or grandpa was local? Dad or mum or gran was a massive Scandy red who loved Jesper Olsson?
I was saying this to my father in law. If we win that game in hand we are 4 points off top spot. Not bad considering we have had a disastrous start to the season. What does that say about the other teams?
Maybe we should change the way we treat new managers. Instead of giving them so much money to spend in their first season we let them prove themselves first. I think that's how we find the right manager for us quickly. A manager that knows how to get the best out of the squad he has is worth investing in. We don't have oil money and are terrible at selling players where we can just change the entire squad for the new manager in a short time so we need to be sure of the manager first
Yeah I agree totally with you but honestly I mostly ignore the experts on here who probably to a majority have never been to a game so don't get the feel for how United match going fans tend to support their team and manager.
Yeah because that’s what this squad is capable of and that’s the crux of it.
The negativity is down to the last 7 years and to actually watching us play.
Barely hanging on to 2nd spot in Bundesliga, bottling the Meisterschaft even against Niko Kovac, just once reaching CL quarterfinals in the last 5 seasons, not even getting past quarterfinals or last 16 in Europa League... how are BVB fans like yourself dealing with continued underachievement? By directing all your pride onto the greatness of your value-generating youngster development?
Its almost as if there hasn't been any research done on places like Facebook to see whether negative posts impacted the mental state of people continuously subjected to them. The football has been the football. The negative coverage is something entirely different. As this thread proves we are nowhere near as bad as the media have portrayed, yes it hasn't been brilliant on the pitch, but the quantity of negative coverage is not near the actuality.
Against Newcastle we were dreadful for 75 minutes. Everton was a one man show from Bruno, certainly not a convincing team performance.
You should actually go a step further and give us 0 points for games we've won, see where we'd end up.
Your post is wasted on me, as well you know, because I simply don't share your opinion that Ole is doing a shit job - so I'm not sure how i'm supposed to respond to that.
Nope. We were incredibly poor, especially in the first half. Just lucky the obligatory Bruno penalty wasn't required in the end.
I'm not saying that I fully agree with this point, but theres something in it. If there was a hands down genius visionary out there that ticked every box and looked destined for greatness we'd be foolish to not consider it. Similar to replacing a player we liked if the next Ronaldo was out there.
So, in a nutshell, bad performances are used a stick to beat him with because they were bad, and good performances are also a stick because why aren't we doing that every week.
Yes
This is actually a very good idea.
Look, certain fans have been preaching about this supposedly toxic negativity for years now. It's nothing new. Apparently, we're somehow always too negative. But nothing actually changes and the pessimists usually turn out to be right. Once again, we're basically as bad (or as good, depending on your perspective and expectations) as we've been for the last 7 years. We're going to finish somewhere around 4th-7th, with around 65-70 points. Business as usual. We'll probably play shite football for most of it, too, like in most seasons since Fergie's retirement. Again, the "media" has nothing to do with that.
We could but can you honestly see that happening? Literally nothing points to us suddenly having a sensational season. It does happen sometimes that teams that play absolutely terribly just explode into form but it's very rare and usually not sustained.
I think it might happen. I might end up very unhappy though
Of course it could happen. Probably will at some point but those purple patches that tend to come once all season expectations have been thrown out the window don't mean much anymore. They used to be the Arsenal/Liverpool "next year is our year" trademark specialty. The damning thing about them is even when we're in the middle of one we've tended to regress to mediocrity the second the expectations were built back up. Losing 3 semifinals in the middle of a purple patch is a special kind of letdown. Sputtering towards the finish line in both league campaigns after such a superior run was also disappointing.I think it might happen. I might end up very unhappy though
I take it you consider yourself part of the latter?
