SER19
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The endless shrieking and moaning is worse than vars flaws. Both goals correctly ruled out.
Also, decisions will still come down to a single centimetre either way. They'll just measure if it was 10 or 11, rather than 0 or 1.This 10cm thing is going to draw lines behind where attackers have their feet?
No one is going to complain when it happens I'm sure.
Fred's push wasn't enough to justify that as a foul or affecting the incident, it was nothing but a hustle, too soft to call it a foul. Look at the picture below (image 1), Azpi was still fine standing there after what you called "push" from Fred. There is no reason to blame Fred if Azpi decided to stretch his arm out to bring Williams down (image 2).Fred pushed Azpi into Williams first though. If Fred doesn't push, Azpi doesn't. After seeing the replay I was surprised VAR ruled it out.
Agree in general. Thought that Maguire should've been off. Offside was obvious and even with 10cm leeway he still would've been off so don't see the complaints. If the linesman had done his job properly and raised his flag everyone would've said "great spot" and moved on, but because he made an error and VAR corrected it it's the end of football.The offside rule was correct, the rule is offside is offside. 1 meter or a hair offside is still offside. That is the rule and that needs to be followed. It might not be what people like but it is fair. Changing it mid season wouldnt be fair.
I thought Maguire would get a red card. Kicking someone like that when the ball was out of play was really really stupid of Maguire. I think the var made a mistake but im not complaining about it.
The corner goal was the biggest talking point for me. Williams was pushed down but Fred pushed the Chelsea player into Williams. However did Fred really push that hard so that the Chelsea player couldnt stop and had to push over Williams? I guess that is mostly the interpretation of the people watching it. Manchester United fans will obviously claim it was a push but if a Manchester United goal was ruled out of because of something like that those same fans would be furious.
Both pushes look soft to me. Williams looked like he milked it a bit (I'd be disappointed if he didn't) but if it was us on the receiving end of that call, we'd be going up the wall about it. I think we got a bit lucky with that one.Fred's push wasn't enough to justify that as a foul or affecting the incident, it was nothing but a hustle, too soft to call it a foul. Look at the picture below (image 1), Azpi was still fine standing there after what you called "push" from Fred. There is no reason to blame Fred if Azpi decided to stretch his arm out to bring Williams down (image 2).
I don‘t think Maguire deserved a red. He‘s sliding backwards towards the dugout, like a turtle on his shell. Even the look on his face when the Chelsea bench got all wound up was „seriously?“ And they all calmed down immediately. Correct call in my eyes.I thought the push was a 50/50 call. I thought Maguire was a definite red card.
The offside is offside but tough to see for any lino.
Doesn't feel like a great night for VAR.
Maguire decision is clear to us all? How do they decide oh no, its fine.
You can't call Azpi's push was soft, he clearly stretched his arm out, that's what matter which clearly what the referee pointed out when he made the decision. It doesn't matter whether Williams milked it or no, the referee & VAR called it a foul not because Williams was brought down but because his intention from Azpi to prevent William clearing the ball.Both pushes look soft to me. Williams looked like he milked it a bit (I'd be disappointed if he didn't) but if it was us on the receiving end of that call, we'd be going up the wall about it. I think we got a bit lucky with that one.
I wouldn’t say Maguire was clear red to me. He didn’t put any force in it, no real malice. I’m kinda sick of games being ruined for reds when it’s not needed. Just like Sons. 2 yellows, no need to ruin the game to create fake dramaI thought the push was a 50/50 call. I thought Maguire was a definite red card.
The offside is offside but tough to see for any lino.
Doesn't feel like a great night for VAR.
Maguire decision is clear to us all? How do they decide oh no, its fine.
in a nutshellI wouldn’t say Maguire was clear red to me. He didn’t put any force in it, no real malice. I’m kinda sick of games being ruined for reds when it’s not needed. Just like Sons. 2 yellows, no need to ruin the game to create fake drama
This isn't the offsides that are the problem though... .the ones that are the problem are Pukki's armpits/Firminho's shoulder ones... the ones where the call is so tight and the technology isn't good enough to be 100% certain that it's offside.At least Neville is right with the offside. In no way can you introduce a tolerance.
Score a legitimate goal then so?Hundreds of fans left in a huge game with 10m still to go. That’s the future of the game unless the PL sort out this nonsense.
Exactly. You should just be able to tell as soon as the line goes down.... none of this dotted lines/spending 30 seconds to figure it out shit.I actually like the idea of a tolerance for offside. It should be used for clear and obvious like last night. If it's not visible with the naked eye, give the striker the benefit of the doubt. Some of the 1mm offside foreskins that have been given this season are ridiculous.
I do think it would help if the linesman put his flag up after any goal that has a tight offside in it (even if they think it's onside) - would be a better signal for fans in the stadium at the very least.Hundreds of fans left in a huge game with 10m still to go. That’s the future of the game unless the PL sort out this nonsense.
Oh give me a break. Is football really supposed to be a series of 5 minute intervals where we try and make sure a strikers left bollock wasn't hanging in front of the defender? Or that the coffee lady wasn't distracting the goalkeeper by watching several hours of stadium camera footage?Score a legitimate goal then so?
He was clearly offside? By a good foot at that. This isnt a millimetre argument you can sneakily add this to. Does he have to be 2 foot offside to count? Whay about a yard?!Oh give me a break. Is football really supposed to be a series of 5 minute intervals where we try and make sure a strikers left bollock wasn't hanging in front of the defender? Or that the coffee lady wasn't distracting the goalkeeper by watching several hours of stadium camera footage?
It's really, really boring and extremely frustrating as a fan. You might have loved yesterday because it was 3 points, but if it had been the other way around you'd be the ones going mental about it today. We had years of abysmal refereeing in the Prem, and now we have abysmal implementation of VAR. The only real question is why the PL are so fecking awful at running a game thats existed for well over a hundred years.
If by 'a good foot' you mean literally his good foot, then yes it was off.He was clearly offside? By a good foot at that. This isnt a millimetre argument you can sneakily add this to. Does he have to be 2 foot offside to count? Whay about a yard?!
I do agree to be honest. Even though var worked in our favour last night it goes against the spirit of the game in my opinion- you never know if a goal is a goal anymore . My celebrations are more muted now. It’s not really progress in my opinion, & like you say no one would be moaning about lots of these goals chalked offIf by 'a good foot' you mean literally his good foot, then yes it was off.
Was anyone crying out for this kind of millimeter perfect offside rule before VAR showed up? If that had happened last year, would you have been screaming about how unfair it was that the goal wasn't disallowed? No of course you wouldn't, because the only place we've ever given that much of a feck about precision was in goal line technology, where a ball crossing the line or not actually matters.
He was offside so it's the correct decision, doesn't matter by how much, if he's off then he's off and the correct decision has to be made accordingly.I do agree to be honest. Even though var worked in our favour last night it goes against the spirit of the game in my opinion- you never know if a goal is a goal anymore . My celebrations are more muted now. It’s not really progress in my opinion, & like you say no one would be moaning about lots of these goals chalked off
Forwards were given offside despite being clearly on for decades. Thats the other aspect of this thats often ignored. Those calls are gone now. Good runs are rewarded.If by 'a good foot' you mean literally his good foot, then yes it was off.
Was anyone crying out for this kind of millimeter perfect offside rule before VAR showed up? If that had happened last year, would you have been screaming about how unfair it was that the goal wasn't disallowed? No of course you wouldn't, because the only place we've ever given that much of a feck about precision was in goal line technology, where a ball crossing the line or not actually matters.
So you're happy to celebrate wildly and then a few minutes later find out that it was for nothing and that emotional release was a complete waste of time? And yet when another goal goes in 5 minutes later you're going to celebrate just as wildly?This seems to be the main gripe from people regarding VAR. You can still celebrate as vigorously as you want, you're choosing to mute your own celebrations because you don't want to look like a fool, why do you care so much? Just enjoy it and it if gets given then it's all the sweeter.
Ah give over, linesman used to look at bodies not whether a toenail was over. Now we're seeing offside calls over armpits and elbows and such bullshit.Forwards were given offside despite being clearly on for decades. Thats the other aspect of this thats often ignored. Those calls are gone now. Good runs are rewarded.
And if thats not clearly offside then what is? That would even be offside in the tolerance nonsense being pushed forward. In no iteration of the offside rule would that never be given as on.
In a pre-VAR world this would have been given and I’d have been fuming. This is why VAR is good, because he’s clearly offside. This isn’t one of those toenail decisions where it looks level, he’s simply offside. This is where we should be championing VAR.If by 'a good foot' you mean literally his good foot, then yes it was off.
Was anyone crying out for this kind of millimeter perfect offside rule before VAR showed up? If that had happened last year, would you have been screaming about how unfair it was that the goal wasn't disallowed? No of course you wouldn't, because the only place we've ever given that much of a feck about precision was in goal line technology, where a ball crossing the line or not actually matters.
Yeah? I enjoy it when we score goals. If for some reason the goal is ruled out due to something that happened in the build up then I accept it. I'd rather the decisions be correct than wrong so I'm allowed to celebrate without fear of looking daft.So you're happy to celebrate wildly and then a few minutes later find out that it was for nothing and that emotional release was a complete waste of time? And yet when another goal goes in 5 minutes later you're going to celebrate just as wildly?
This stuff is going to have a cumulative effect on excitement. I'm actually in favour of VAR in principle and using it to rule out goals that are wildly unfair is ok with me, but this minute analysis of every goal is just nonsense.
It's nothing to do with looking daft, its about being emotionally invested in a game and having that endlessly frustrated.Yeah? I enjoy it when we score goals. If for some reason the goal is ruled out due to something that happened in the build up then I accept it. I'd rather the decisions be correct than wrong so I'm allowed to celebrate without fear of looking daft.
I like the principle of VAR too, and I certainly don't want it abolished just because the PL are such a bunch of useless fecktwats that they haven't implemented it properly. But this anger needs to continue to be expressed, because otherwise they'll just do exactly the same thing next year, and the year after.I like VAR but the PL have not implemented it well this season so I can understand people's frustrations. Most of it will be ironed out in time though.
I think the anti-VAR movement is on par with the anti-5G, anti-steam train, anti-cloud movements. Just a bunch of middle-aged men angry about change. Once it becomes familiar, in a season or two, most of these complaints will disappear.
Well, the discussion without VAR would have been whether or not he's offside at all. But let's say everyone agrees that it's exactly a millimetre offside. Then yes, fans of the team hard done by would be moaning, 100%. If you're a Utd/City/Everton fan, think of this scenario winning Liverpool the league last year. If you're a Liverpool fan, the opposite. We'd be all be moaning.If by 'a good foot' you mean literally his good foot, then yes it was off.
Was anyone crying out for this kind of millimeter perfect offside rule before VAR showed up? If that had happened last year, would you have been screaming about how unfair it was that the goal wasn't disallowed? No of course you wouldn't, because the only place we've ever given that much of a feck about precision was in goal line technology, where a ball crossing the line or not actually matters.
Yawn. How boring using the ‘argument’ that those against VAR are just against Change & Middle Aged.Yeah? I enjoy it when we score goals. If for some reason the goal is ruled out due to something that happened in the build up then I accept it. I'd rather the decisions be correct than wrong so I'm allowed to celebrate without fear of looking daft.
I like VAR but the PL have not implemented it well this season so I can understand people's frustrations. Most of it will be ironed out in time though.
I think the anti-VAR movement is on par with the anti-5G, anti-steam train, anti-cloud movements. Just a bunch of middle-aged men angry about change. Once it becomes familiar, in a season or two, most of these complaints will disappear.
Injustice and cheaters winning make the sport far less palatable than having to wait a couple of minutes for a penalty to be correctly given or a goal disallowed for whatever reason.Yawn. How boring using the ‘argument’ that those against VAR are just against Change & Middle Aged.
I’m not Middle Aged & I love technology in many aspects of life & change can be a good thing.
VAR isn’t progressive for the game & makes it a worse spectacle to watch
Exactly this, goal was disallowed against FCB on the weekend. Very similar, though much more obvious foul on a corner.The big issue is still the refusal to use the pitchside monitors
From yesterday's game, both the Maguire potential red and chelsea's first goal were the kind of situations where the ref should watch it on the monitor and then decide, imho. The goal in particular, since it was a case of VAR changing a call on the pitch on a subjective call. The ref should be the one making that call