UnofficialDevil
Anti Scottish and Preoccupied with Donkeys.
The unfair bit was more for how easy it is to for other clubs and less for how difficult it is for us.
Hardly a surprise. Shit sides in the PL can spend more money than most European teams. Sounds like the super league if we are to just base who competes in it based on financial resources.He’s got some kind of point though. A 4th placed team in France would most likely not finish in the top 8 in EPL.
If it’s a true European cup then it would just be champions but that will never happen as it doesn’t bring the money or interest.
This.It is more top heavy than Bundesliga actually. The average points per game for league champions in England for the last 5 seasons is 2.50, the average for Bundesliga winners (always Bayern) is 2.36. The only time Premier League was won by a team with less than 2.4 per game was in 2020-21, while Bundesliga champions never got above 2.41. On three occasions PL champions got to 2.6 points per game.
English fans love to bang about how PL is the most competitive league ever but it really has not been for a long time.
England have had the most finalists in the EL since 2015-16 and 2 winners of it (Behind Spain who have 4). In the 21st century everytime a Spanish team has got to the EL final they've won it. They're clear winners but I wouldn't say that English teams don't care about winning it. Due to how competitive top 4 is for the big clubs it's a good avenue for them to take.The problem is, you could easily have five most years, as the quality in the PL should mean that PL clubs should win the EL most of the time to qualify for the CL. But it looks like no English team really cares about this in recent years, since this option exist (except West Ham, who got beaten by a similarly mediocre Frankfurt).
But that's not the fault of the CL. If you wanted it like that it would just be the rich nations getting in leading to a devastating effect on football in other nations. Of course it should be the champions but we are beyond that now. 4 places is more than enough for the PL.He’s got some kind of point though. A 4th placed team in France would most likely not finish in the top 8 in EPL.
If it’s a true European cup then it would just be champions but that will never happen as it doesn’t bring the money or interest.
Again, maybe it's because their league is easier? They get to rest players more?They are definitely in the conversation. English teams arent that much better than German teams and PL teams outside the CL frequently gets trashed in Europe by "inferior" teams.
Halaand and Bellingham literally turned us down for Dortmund.It's not as if we're competing against the likes of Dortmund or Olympiacos for players though?
It would also mean that they get the PL money and the access to sugar daddies, states and hedge funds as owners.What with all these players not wanting to play for us because of the lack of Champions League football, got me thinking, some clubs get it easy.
Dortmund, guaranteed Champions League every year from playing in such a rubbish league. Would Dortmund be in the Champions League if they were qualifying from the Premier League? Doubt it.
Then you get all these other clubs, like Olympiacos Bayern PSG, teams that win their farmers league with no effort and then are guaranteed CL money and the players that are attracted to it.
Getting into it from the Premier League must be the hardest task right now.
Bit unfair?
We had CL football to offer the season Bellingham moved. They turned us down for other reasons - mainly because they had more faith in Dortmund development system.Halaand and Bellingham literally turned us down for Dortmund.
So we are competing with Dortmund for players then yeah?We had CL football to offer the season Bellingham moved. They turned us down for other reasons - mainly because they had more faith in Dortmund development system.
Thing is they dont need all that do they? Thy can get the CL money without spending because their league is easy.It would also mean that they get the PL money and the access to sugar daddies, states and hedge funds as owners.
Hardly a surprise. Shit sides in the PL can spend more money than most European teams. Sounds like the super league if we are to just base who competes in it based on financial resources.
This.
But to be fair, isn't it already a competition based on who has the biggest financial resources collectively as a league? Hence why England, France, Germany, Spain and Italy get 4 places because they have the most financial power? If it was a true fair based spread, then Turkey should get the same number of places as everyone else?But that's not the fault of the CL. If you wanted it like that it would just be the rich nations getting in leading to a devastating effect on football in other nations. Of course it should be the champions but we are beyond that now. 4 places is more than enough for the PL.
Are we competing against Dortmund for Frenkie De Jong?So we are competing with Dortmund for players then yeah?
This is a myth. Leipzig finished in the top four with a 1.7 points average. Similar point average in the PL would put you somewhere between 5th and 6th last year, and 7th the year before that. Math works out similar for the champions.Again, maybe it's because their league is easier? They get to rest players more?
Remember Milan resting almost their entire team before playing us in the CL? Whereas we battled a hard fought win just before?, can't remember the team right now.
It can if the massive team is rubbish, like Man Utd currently is. It's a very slippery slope. Say that 20 years ago and Man City and Chelsea are locked out. 40 or so and Nottingham Forest and Aston Villa are locked in. It's called the Champions League, but there are very few champions in it.I believe the rules are changing to give teams like us in the strongest leagues extra opportunities to qualify.
I do agree, it can’t be called a Champions League without the biggest clubs in the world.
They never let me finishYou alright mate?
Aren't you American? Surely the first thing you'll do is close the leagues, franchise the clubs and ensure the owners have a 50% profit margins?
We are competing with Eindhoven, Gapko will turn us down if they qualify.So we are competing with Dortmund for players then yeah?
Just for fun I'll make this statement: Dortmund doesn't need to chase de Jong, as they already got Bellingham they can let United hunt for scraps.Are we competing against Dortmund for Frenkie De Jong?
It’s based on coefficients which is based on past results which is highly correlated with spending, yes, but not solely decided by spending. And because non-CL competitions also factor into coefficients, and because there are hard limits on max number of teams from one nation, it ends having more variety than just picking the top 32 richest European clubs.But to be fair, isn't it already a competition based on who has the biggest financial resources collectively as a league? Hence why England, France, Germany, Spain and Italy get 4 places because they have the most financial power? If it was a true fair based spread, then Turkey should get the same number of places as everyone else?
So unless it's every single player we're chasing then we're not competing with that club for transfers?Are we competing against Dortmund for Frenkie De Jong?
I mean usually Dortmund seem to be done with their business before United seem to have begun scouting, so I'd say "no".So we are competing with Dortmund for players then yeah?
Don't you understand the context of the thread you are commenting in?So unless it's every single player we're chasing then we're not competing with that club for transfers?
Here's another example of a player that might turn us down for CL football. GapkoDon't you understand the context of the thread you are commenting in?
The OP is complaining, that players are turning us down because we don't have CL football which is much easier to obtain for clubs like Dortmund and Olympiacos. I've countered that by stating, that players won't reject and join those clubs because of CL football. It'll be for other reasons.
Reading between the lines of all this is the fact FDJ is reluctant to join us, because we don't have CL football to offer. But once again, its not clubs like Dortmund or Olympiacos we're up against.
Hope this helps. Read the OP next time.
That's fair, but I'll wait until I actually see it. I doubt a player turns us down to stay at PSV for another season simply because he'd earn more here just joining us.Here's another example of a player that might turn us down for CL football. Gapko
The Dutch winger recently alluded to discussions regarding his future, as he appeared to pin his decision to stay or leave on whether or not his side qualify for the Champions League. Eindhoven over us?
Yes, but it’s a vicious circle because the best leagues in the world have the highest coefficients because they have the best results because they have the best players because they are the richest.It’s based on coefficients which is based on past results which is highly correlated with spending, yes, but not solely decided by spending. And because non-CL competitions also factor into coefficients, and because there are hard limits on max number of teams from one nation, it ends having more variety than just picking the top 32 richest European clubs.
Well, these are the player comments:That's fair, but I'll wait until I actually see it. I doubt a player turns us down to stay at PSV for another season simply because he'd earn more here just joining us.
Though from what I can tell, it's more that PSV would be more reluctant to sell him if they qualify for the CL because a) they won't need the money b) his stock might be even higher next season, after being on display in the CL.
Fair, he could be a strange creature. But i still think, if we offer the right amount he'd sign for us. Nobody leaves money on the table.Well, these are the player comments:
"We must first focus on the second leg against Monaco and try to make it to the Champions League, then it is more likely that I will stay."
Players aren’t moving to Manchester Utd not because of UCL. It’s because we’re shit and run in a shit way right now.The players are lying about not moving to United because of CL football.
So it should be called the biggest clubs in the world leagueI believe the rules are changing to give teams like us in the strongest leagues extra opportunities to qualify.
I do agree, it can’t be called a Champions League without the biggest clubs in the world.
Disagree. Your assumption that Bellingham didn't turn us down over CL football 'because United were in it that season' is avoiding the context that United have not consistently been in the CL for a decade, where as in the same period of time Dortmund have. Any intelligent and ambitious footballer is going to factor that in to their decision.I've countered that by stating, that players won't reject and join those clubs because of CL football. It'll be for other reasons.
I don't think Bellingham had the foresight to realise we were soon going to miss out on the CL.Disagree. Your assumption that Bellingham didn't turn us down over CL football 'because United were in it that season' is avoiding the context that United have not consistently been in the CL for a decade, where as in the same period of time Dortmund have. Any intelligent and ambitious footballer is going to factor that in to their decision.
De Jong is an isolated case like all transfers are. Just because Dortmund are not in for him doesn't mean we aren't competing with them for transfers, espcially when is recent seasons two of our biggest targets directly rejected us to join them.