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We hear a lot of talk that Technology can be the key to reducing the amount of CO2 either being put into the atmosphere or reducing the CO2 level.

One of these is Carbon Capture and Storage CCS although this may be years away from being in production.

Nature already knows how to do this and has been doing it for millions of years. It is called Photosynthesis. Fortunately for us, plants take in CO2 and give out Oxygen reliably and risk free.

So why are dumb humans still cutting down millions of hectares of forest.
So why are governments not planting millions of trees on land not required for food production.

I am not a scientist but is it not obvious that we should follow nature and replicate what we already know works.

I have no problems with deploying technology where it is proven and cost effective but why should we wait for this when there already is a well established solution.
Most deforested land in Canada and the USA is replanted within a decade. The forest services in both countries hire dedicated tree planters, go to out and plant baby saplings in areas that have been deforested. It's just, it takes a week to clear cut several square miles, and it takes 40 odd years for those trees to grow back to maturity.
 

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Most deforested land in Canada and the USA is replanted within a decade. The forest services in both countries hire dedicated tree planters, go to out and plant baby saplings in areas that have been deforested. It's just, it takes a week to clear cut several square miles, and it takes 40 odd years for those trees to grow back to maturity.
OK. So what point are you making relating to global warming.
 

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The fact north pole is moving 50 km towards Siberia every year must affect the climate as well and looks like not only they dont talk about the meat production as they don’t even mention the NP moving so fast.
the positive side of this ... soon or later I will be able to plant orange trees in New Jersey
 

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The fact north pole is moving 50 km towards Siberia every year must affect the climate as well and looks like not only they dont talk about the meat production as they don’t even mention the NP moving so fast.
the positive side of this ... soon or later I will be able to plant orange trees in New Jersey
Satire? It's the internet, so... I have to ask.
 

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Satire? It's the internet, so... I have to ask.
It's not the north pole that's moving, it's the magnetic north pole (a totally different thing and what compasses point as North). It's always moving - it was over Northern Canada a couple of hundred years ago.
 

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Yeah, that's why I was wondering if it was satire. It shouldn't be possible to think that the magnetic pole moving is going to change the weather, but these days you never know.
 

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It's not the north pole that's moving, it's the magnetic north pole (a totally different thing and what compasses point as North). It's always moving - it was over Northern Canada a couple of hundred years ago.
Our planet is overdue in flipping the poles but the rapidly increase of speed from 10-16 miles to 30 miles affects our magnetic shield which could help our climate change, but I think scientists put too much effort with the wording "climate change" they should use the word "pollution" more often because we are killing the oceans, our air and forests. We had climate changes the past 2000 years and we survived, not sure when we completely kill the ocean we will survive.
 

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Our planet is overdue in flipping the poles but the rapidly increase of speed from 10-16 miles to 30 miles affects our magnetic shield which could help our climate change, but I think scientists put too much effort with the wording "climate change" they should use the word "pollution" more often because we are killing the oceans, our air and forests. We had climate changes the past 2000 years and we survived, not sure when we completely kill the ocean we will survive.
Pollution is bad, but climate change is apocalyptic. The human species has never experienced any climate change quite like what we're on the way to. The planet will survive, and we'll survive, but it's probably not going to be pretty. I'd give it a 50/50 chance that Eboue is an actual armed revolutionary within 50 years.

And saying we're overdue in flipping the poles is a bit like when people say we're overdue a supervolcano explosion. It doesn't really work like that.
 

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Oh no I would die almost immediately in an apocalyptic scenario. I run slow and I dont have any guns.
Yeah but you’d find a million and one reasons to argue against people eating you or using your bottom for a good time.

You’d be fine. Then declare “SOCIALISM WORKS!”
 

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OK. So what point are you making relating to global warming.
You said "So why are governments not planting millions of trees on land not required for food production."

I guess you forgot.
 

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That's a really weird thing to say. Like plastic pollution in the ocean isn't something fundamental and scary.
Well it is a problem, but far from the main driver or comparable at all to global warming, overfishing, the acidifications of the ocean etc.
It is the same as comparing having a large dimple in your face to on the verge of being terminally ill.
 

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A bunch of high school students in Belgium have been skipping school every Thursday for a couple of weeks now, going to Brussels to protest the lack of commitment from the government regarding the climate and global warming.

Today 35.000 students showed up, and in other cities there were protests too.



Good to see young kids are committed to this.
 
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This is the type of moron we are up against. This is actually worse than the shit Trump posted earlier in the week. Amazing self own here though. :lol::lol:
 

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Typically, during really cold periods in the midwest/great plains/prairies there is an abundance of sunshine.
That's pretty much the same everywhere mate. Coastal areas are the same as colder weather usually means less cloud (clouds keep the air warmer) and often less sea breeze too.

I can't believe that a grown adult actually Tweeted about solar panels and used a graphic from his own phones weather forecast that showed non stop sunshine for the entire morning. :lol:
 

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You idiots. When it's as cold as it is in Chicago, the sun's rays aren't as warm, so the solar panels are collecting cold energy. What he has said is perfectly legitimate.
 

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Anyone reckon there might be a connection here to climate change? Not the Russia bit obviously (although the thought that Putin has an evil scientist with a super electromagnet trying to steal the north pole is a great image) but that the magnetic field becoming ever more lop-sided must be having at least some effect on weather patterns?

Polar express: magnetic north pole moving 'pretty fast' towards Russia
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/05/magnetic-north-pole-moving-pretty-fast-towards-russia
 

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Anyone reckon there might be a connection here to climate change? Not the Russia bit obviously (although the thought that Putin has an evil scientist with a super electromagnet trying to steal the north pole is a great image) but that the magnetic field becoming ever more lop-sided must be having at least some effect on weather patterns?

Polar express: magnetic north pole moving 'pretty fast' towards Russia
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/05/magnetic-north-pole-moving-pretty-fast-towards-russia
Highly unlikely. The magnetic poles flips "often", every 200 000-300 000 years, we are currently overdue for a reversal. Not caused by climate changes, but by the spinning iron core in the center of the earth.
 

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Highly unlikely. The magnetic poles flips "often", every 200 000-300 000 years, we are currently overdue for a reversal. Not caused by climate changes, but by the spinning iron core in the center of the earth.
I didn't say the reversal was caused by climate change, did I?

I asked if anyone had ever considered mapping this flip in relation to historical patterns in climate change?

EDIT: Quick Google proves that, yes they have and, it seems, yes it does:

http://www.viewzone.com/magnetic.weather.html
 
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I didn't say the reversal was caused by climate change, did I?

I asked if anyone had ever considered mapping this flip in relation to historical patterns in climate change?

EDIT: Quick Google proves that, yes they have and, it seems, yes it does:

http://www.viewzone.com/magnetic.weather.html
Sorry, my mistake. Early morning without Coffee. Since you mean that reversal is the cause and climate change the effect in the causation relationship then yes. You are correct in your assumption. But the reversal takes time, and will gradually impact the climate, and not on the same rate as the climate changes are currently changing.
 

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Sorry, my mistake. Early morning without Coffee. Since you mean that reversal is the cause and climate change the effect in the causation relationship then yes. You are correct in your assumption. But the reversal takes time, and will gradually impact the climate, and not on the same rate as the climate changes are currently changing.
Cool :cool: and thanks!

That's great (and I'm not a climate change denier or someone who defends human influence), except the article that I quoted in my original post states that reversal is speeding up at nearly double the rate previously anticipated. If this acceleration is not considered in current figures then surely those figures need revisiting.
 

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Cool :cool: and thanks!

That's great (and I'm not a climate change denier or someone who defends human influence), except the article that I quoted in my original post states that reversal is speeding up at nearly double the rate previously anticipated. If this acceleration is not considered in current figures then surely those figures need revisiting.
What happens in the earths core is somewhat of a "black box" issue. We now some, but we are currently not able to link it with any of the normal renewal processes like Poisson that is used today because we do not have enough data/parameters. The rate of the magnetic reversal is statistically random, unless you operate with a "short" timewindow, and since it is random the rate that it changes is also different each time. Predicting these reversals or building accurate models is difficult beacuse we lack data (black box). The same as predicting earthquakes. We can detect some patterns, but we can not predict far into the future with any accuracy.